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Duddingston

Duddingston lies near the SE corner of Holyrood Park

 

Question

Recollections

1.

Lyndsay Montgomery

(formerly Linda Montgomery)

Old Town, Edinburgh

Lyndsay Montgomery asks a question below:

Lyndsay wrote:

 Schools

"My mother was brought up in Duddingston Village, where they lived above the Sheep's Heid.

Like my father, she  left school at 13, so what was that about?

She told me that when she was young, one of her aunts would visit on the same day each week.  She would be sent to the baker's for a box of cakes for afternoon tea.  The baker's was in Portobello, and there were no buses in these days.

I hope someone can tell me what happened with the schools then."

Reply

 1.

Peter Stubbs

Edinburgh

I've just checked the Wikipedia page on the internet.

School Leaving Age

13 then 14

It says that in Scotland:

- Education finally became compulsory for all children aged between 5 and 13 with the Education (Scotland) Act 1872.

-  The leaving age was raised to 14 in 1883.

However, the evidence from the answers below seems to suggest that for many years after 1883, pupils were leaving school well before age 14.

Peter Stubbs:  July 31, 2008 + August 3, 2008

Reply

 2.

Bryan Gourlay

Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Bryan Gourlay wrote:

School Leaving Age

12 then 14 then 15

"Iím not sure when Lyndsayís mother was born Ė but my dad was born in 1912 and left Bruntsfield Primary School at the age of 12, without going to secondary school.

In the late 1940s, I remember the school leaving age was 14 and can remember it going to 15 probably in the early 1950s.  Iím sure there are records around somewhere"

Bryan Gourlay, Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Reply

 3.

Eric Gold

East London, England

Eric Gold wrote:

School Leaving Age

13 then 14

"The school leaving age used to be 14 years old.

I thought it was 13 years old in 1914 as they got the wee laddies to sweep the lums (chimneys)."

Eric Gold, East London, England

 

Recollections

2.

Dave Meacher

Fife, Scotland

Thank you to Dave Meacher who wrote:

Duddingston

"I hope this may be of interest.  it's a photo of my brother, Charlie, and me at Duddingston, close to Duddingston Loch.

Duddingston, beside the Loch

Charlie & Dave Meacher   -   1960

Dave and Charlie Meacher, near Duddingston Loch, around 1960

We were exploring the area after moving from Moredun prefabs to Lady Nairne Avenue.

The photo was taken looking towards the Park Warden's House.  That's in the same direction as the photo of the Raeburn boys was taken.

The boundary wall and the trees on the right of the photo are beside a long flight of stairs.

Duddingston was a great place to go for a picnic of jam pieces and home-made liquorice flavoured water, which never caught on with the fizzy pop giants!."

Dave Meacher:  February 18, 2014

 

Recollections

3.

Mark Duffy-Taylor

Perth, Perth & Kinross, Scotland

Thank you to Mark Taylor who wrote:

Duddingston Mills

My Grandmother and Family

"My grandmother Elizabeth Sinclair was born in the last stone cottage on the left as you go down the lane at Duddingston Mills.

Elizabeth Sinclair and six of her seven brother and sisters were all born in the little house which was the family's home between 1919 to 1948.  Her brothers and sisters were:

-  her mother and father were Annabelle and William.

-  her brothers were Jack, Harry, Hugh, Alan and Robbie.

-  her sisters were Lena and Nina.

My grandmother's home was only a wee house which she shared with her parents and seven brothers and sisters.  It had:

-  an outside toilet

-  a coal house

-  an Anderson shelter in the garden.

My grandmother's neighbour Mr Cochrane kept a number of hens in his back garden."

Neighbours at Duddingston Mills

"Others who lived in the cottages over the years were:

Peter Wood.  He was foreman at the Blacksmiths.

Mrs Wood and her daughter Bessie, Annie Boyd.

Alan Longmuir.

Mrs Bridges.

Mrs Thomson.  (Andrew Thomson was second in command at the mill under Davies Bell.)

Alan Longmuir.

Jim and Molly Learmouth.

the Pendens."

Duddingston Wee School

"My Grandmother attended the wee school in Duddingston.

Miss Spalding was the Headmistress.  She left  in 1945 to become Head Teacher at Juniper Green Primary.

Miss Henderson was the infant school teacher.

Mrs Mary Jones came up from Portobello (after Miss Spalding left) to be Janitor and live in the schoolhouse. She was known as the 'Queen of Hearts' as she followed the Hearts all over Scotland. (Football was her life!)  My grandmother recalled having picnics on her lawn."

Working at the Mill

"Elizabeth's father, William, was a Carter and Lorryman at the mill during this period.

The house was tied to the job as all the cottages were built for the families of the men who worked at the mill. The mill stopped working in 1950.

William worked six days a week, three days in the mill making flour and three days delivering the bagged flour to Musselburgh and beyond.

The grain for the flour came from Southfield Farm and Meadowfield Farm and the harvest was taken to the mill.

William was from Duns, Berwickshire, and his wife Annie was from Pathhead. Annie cleaned the office of the mill when William was unable to work through ill health for about 15 years.  She was paid in lieu of rent for the tied house.

My grandmother recalls that she and her brothers and sisters were never allowed near the Mill lade.  She remembers how crystal clear the water was going into the Mill."

Mark Duffy-Taylor, Perth, Perth & Kinross, Scotland:  August 11, 2014

 

Recollections

4.

Iain Brennan

Leith, Edinburgh

Thank you to Iain Brennan for replying to Dave Meacher's Recollections 2 above.

Iain wrote:

My Schools

"I lived in Portobello from 1957 to 1965.

During that time, I attended Duddingston Primary School 1957- 62, then Portobello Secondary 1962-65".

Holyrood Park

"I knocked about with a couple of school pals who lived in the Village of Duddingston, so I know the Park area well,.  The steps that Dave Meacher mentions in his recollections were steep and many. I've climbed them many a time in my youth.

The Park Keeper's house in the background was, I think, lived in then by a family called the Sutherlands, who's daughter I knew (and fancied!)

Happy days, indeed!"

Iain Brennan, Leith, Edinburgh:  September 20, 2014

 

Recollections

5.

Gus Coutts

Duddingston, Edinburgh

After reading about the pigs' bins at Dalry, Gus wrote:

Pig Bins

"While the use of the Pig Bins was effectively a form of recycling, my recollection of the reason for their existence was that they were a wartime measure that ran in parallel with the 'Dig For Victory Campaign', the purpose being to provide food for pigs using domestic waste rather than using more valuable sources of food in the face of 'The U Boat Campaign'.

We were unlucky enough to be 'blessed' with one of the bins being sited on the pavement outside our house and boy did they stink in hot weather."

Southfield Farm

"Southfield Farm, Duddingston, was at the top of our street and they kept some enormous pigs there. The pig swill was boiled up presumably to kill off any nasties and transported to the sty in a large wheeled sort of bath shaped container.

My memory may be wrong but I seem to remember that at some stage, the street 'pig bins' were removed and every house was issued with a small lidded container like a large pail for pig waste, but that system only lasted for a few years.

Buckets

'As was stated by another contributor back in the 1940s and 1950s, nearly all houses were heated by coal fires, meaning that bins (we called them buckets in those days and the men who emptied the were called bucketmen) contained mostly ashes form the fires and the odd tin.

Anything combustible went on the fire, and there wasn't the amount of packaging then.  Most buckets were quite small only about 18" high with attached lids

Bucketmen and their Vehicles

I can't remember what sort of vehicle the Council used for the collection of the 'pig waste' but the normal bucket collecting vehicles were rather primitive compared with today's massive vehicles.

The Council vehicles consisted of what might be termed a long 2-wheeled-roofed-van with a row of 3 or maybe 4 roller shuttered openings along each side.  It was towed by an open tractor which, compared to a farm tractor, was much lower to the ground.

The bucketmen physically emptied the buckets into one of the roller shuttered openings. I've never seen a photo of these vehicles and would be interested to see one."

Recycling

"Recycling is far from being a new thing.  In, I think, the late- 1940s or early-1950's, there was a separate collection of waste paper and cardboard known at the tine as 'The Salvage Collection'.

At one point, the government passed legislation threatening massive fines for anybody caught burning paper. A novel feature of 'The Salvage Collection' system was the use of, as I recall, Electric Vehicles.

The refuse collection vehicles were painted a sort of olive to light green colour.

Southfield Farm

"Does anyone have any photos of:

-  the vehicles used by Edinburgh's bucketmen?

 Southfield Farm?

Gus Coutts, Duddingston, Edinburgh:  November 9, 2014

Reply to Gus

If you'd like to reply to Gus (perhaps because you know of photos the vehicles used by the bucketmen or photos of Southfield Farm) please email me to let me know, then I'll pass on his email address to you.

Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:  November 9, 2014

 

Recollections

6.

Anne Turnbull

Edinburgh

Thank you to Anne for telling me about the time when she lived in a hut at Duddingston Camp, one of the camps in Edinburgh occupied by returning soldiers and others and their families during the housing shortages after the end of World War II.

Anne was born in March 1947 and lived at Duddingston until around 1954/55 when she moved with her family to a prefab in Ferniehill, Edinburgh, which she describes as:   "Pure luxury compared to the camp!".

Anne wrote:

Photo

1.

Gala Day at Duddingston Camp

"This photo was taken on Gala Day, possibly celebrating the Queen's Coronation in June 1953."

Gala Day

Duddingston Camp, Gala Day - possibly for the Coronation 1953

© Reproduced with acknowledgement to Anne Turnbull, Edinburgh;  17+18 September 2016

 

 

Photo

2.

Mock Coronation at Duddingston Camp

"This photo is of a  mock coronation at the camp in 1953.

 A committee was set up and my father, being very good at fretwork, made the crown. 

I was one of the two Ladies in Waiting.  I'm on the Queen's left and was 6 years old.

The other lady in waiting, I think, was called Betty."

Mock Coronation

Duddingston Camp, 1953  -  Mock Coroantion

© Reproduced with acknowledgement to Anne Turnbull, Edinburgh;  17+18 September 2016

 

 

Photo

3.

"Here is the back of our Hut, No. 221.  Dad once told me we had an Officer's hut, so it was bigger than others.  I am the little girl in this photo.

I remember the cold.

-  We only had a round black metal stove.

-  There were communal kitchens and shower blocks.

-  It was all  very primitive, but it was all that was available when Dad came back from the war."

 

Hut at Duddingston Camp

Hut  No. 221

Duddingston Camp, 1950s  -  Hut No .213

© Reproduced with acknowledgement to Anne Turnbull, Edinburgh;  17+18 September 2016

 

 

Photo

4.

"Here is a a photo of the front of our hut, No. 221, at Duddingston Camp.  I am the little girl at the front of this photo.  The photo would have been taken around the late-1940s.

 

Hut at Duddingston Camp

Hut  No. 221

Duddingston Camp, 1950s  -  Hut No .221

© Reproduced with acknowledgement to Anne Turnbull, Edinburgh;  17+18 September 2016

 

Anne Turnbull,  17+18 September 2016

 

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