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Edinburgh Recollections The Wisp |
Recollections |
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Winnie Lisowski |
Bankfield Cottages Question |
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Winnie Lisowski |
Bankfield Cottages Jean's Story |
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Dick Martin |
Bankfield Cottages The Huts |
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Simon Capeldi |
Bankfield Cottages 1894 Map |
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Peter Stubbs |
Bankfield Cottages Later Maps |
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Peter Stubbs |
Bankfield Cottages Photos 2014 |
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George Lewis |
Bankfield Cottages Tin Houses |
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Lyndsay Montgomery |
The Wisp Living at The Wisp + Families |
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Winnie Lisowski |
Bankfield Cottages Thank you 1+2 |
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Colin Foster |
Bankfield Cottages Fire |
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Gordon Davie |
The Wisp My family + Gas Works |
Recollections 1. Winnie Lisowski Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland |
Winnie Lisowski wrote: |
Bankfield Cottages Questions "Do you know anything about Bankfield Cottages or the history of these cottages? Seemingly, there were about 8 to 10 cottages. They were on Lady Walker's Estate, The Wisp, near Portobello, Edinburgh. I met a 75-year-old lady in Dunbar this morning who was born in the cottages in 1939 and lived there until she was 8-years-old, in 1948. She has never been able to find out anything about the history of these cottages. She would be delighted if somebody could come up with a photo of the cottages." Acknowledgement: Winnie Lisowski, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland: August 12 + 13, 2014 |
Recollections 2. Winnie Lisowski Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland |
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Thank you to Raymond Mooneye, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada for sending Photo 1 above to me. Raymond wrote: |
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Bankfield Cottages Jean "I've now received a ''Life Story' of the 75-year-old lady that I met in Dunbar. Her name is Jean Kinnear." Winnie Lisowski, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland: August 19 + 20, 2014
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Do you have any Memories "I only wish I could find a photo of Bankfield Cottages or any information at all about them, as it would make Jean so happy. Seemingly when the cottages were burned down, accidently, the families who lived there were moved to Danderhall. I'll be seeing Jean again in 3 weeks' time. It would be absolutely great if somebody out there could come up with some information for her, or if any old photos of the cottages could be found." Winnie Lisowski, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland: August 19 + 20, 2014 |
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Workers' Education Association Gilmerton Recollections Group While searching the Internet today, looking for for more details or photos of Bankfield Cottages or Lady Walker's estate to pass on to Jean Kinnear, I discovered that the memories that Joan has provided above are also included, together with other memories on this Gilmerton Recollections Group web page. Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: August 21, 2014 |
Message 3. Dick Martin Borders, Scotland |
Thank you to Dick Martin who wrote: |
Bankfield Cottages 'The Huts' "My wife, Jeanette, née Carey, was born at The Wisp in 1941 and lived there for 4 years until the family moved to the Jewel Cottages. Her father was a coal miner at the Woomet pit. Her memories of 'The Huts' (as Bankfield Cottages were commonly known because of their wooden construction) are only of: - the burn which ran past the end house and - the white link-chain on the bank, which I take to have been an early 1940's safety device. Bankfield Cottages were within the Lady Wauchope Estate. Could I suggest that Jean Kinnear has misheard the name of the estate? Move to Niddrie Marischal "In 1951, my wife's family moved to the new housing scheme in Niddrie Marischal, which was part of the Lady Wauchope Estate. At that time the original Wauchope House was still standing, although in ruins. The children of Niddrie Marischal used the estate as a play area, mainly for cycling and 'Hide and Seek.' The Estate Manager spent most of his time chasing the kids from the grounds." |
Dick Martin, Borders, Scotland: August 21, 2014 |
Message 4. Simon Capeldi Sheriffhall, Midlothian, Scotland |
Thank you to Dick Martin who wrote: |
Bankfield Cottages Map "I cannot find any photos of Bankfield Cottages, but they do appear on the six inch to a mile Ordnance Survey map of 1893, 2nd edition." |
Simon Capeldi, Sheriffhall, Midlothian, Scotland |
Message 5. Peter Stubbs Edinburgh |
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Bankfield Cottages Maps
Ordnance Survey "As Simon Capeldi says in his Message 4 above, buildings at Bankfield appear on early Ordnance Survey maps. However, it looks as if Bankfield Cottages where Jean Kinnear lived (- see Recollections 2 above) may not have been built until some time after 1914. See the Ordnance Survey large scale maps below: - Map 2 ('25 inch', 1932) shows 8 houses which I assume are the cottages where Jean lived. They are near the upper-left corner of the map, (1932) below below shows a block of 8 houses at Bankfield in 1932. They are near the upper-left corner of the map, to the left of the word 'Bankfield. - Map 1 ('25 inch' 1914) however, shows no houses yet built in that location. - Map 3 and Map 4 ('6 inch', 1932 and 1938) zoom-out to show the position of Bankfield Cottages at The Wisp in relation to their surroundings. They are about one mile ESE of the then recently built (and now recently demolished) houses on the Craigmillar estate.
Ordnance Survey
Map 1914
Old shaft:
Gasometer: , Railway lines: © Reproduced with acknowledgement to National LIbrary of Scotland Map Room
Ordnance Survey
Map 1932
Old shaft (gone):
Gasometer (gone): Railway (re-aligned): © Reproduced with acknowledgement to National LIbrary of Scotland Map Room
Ordnance Survey
Map 1932
Bankfield Cottages are 2/3 of way down this map, near right-hand
side. © Reproduced with acknowledgement to National LIbrary of Scotland Map Room
Ordnance Survey
Map 1938 Bankfield Cottages are, again, 2/3 of way down this map, near right-hand side. Houses are now planned for Niddrie and the school has been extended. St Theresa's Chapel (mentioned by Jean Kinnear above) has been built at Niddrie. © Reproduced with acknowledgement to National LIbrary of Scotland Map Room Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: August 29, 2014
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Message 6. Peter Stubbs Edinburgh |
The site of Bankfield Cottages 2014 "After looking at the row of 8 houses shown on Map 2 above, that I assume to have been Bankfield Cottages, I decided to visit the location to see what it looks like now. I had a look around The Wisp on 29 August and found that there now appears to be a car park for the 'R Arcari' ice cream factory on the site where Bankfield Cottages once stood. See the 4 photos below." Location of the Photo 1
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Reproduced with acknowledgement to Looking SW towards the site of Bankfield Cottages © Peter Stubbs Please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk Photo taken: August 29, 2014 Location of the Photo 2
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Reproduced with acknowledgement to Looking NNW towards the site of Bankfield Cottages
The pale green cottage beside the
road, beyond the ice cream factory in this photo © Peter Stubbs Please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk Photo taken: August 29, 2014 Location of the Photo 3
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Reproduced with acknowledgement to Looking NNW towards the site of Bankfield Cottages A similar view to Photo 2 above, but taken from a little further south on The Wisp © Peter Stubbs Please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk Photo taken: August 29, 2014 Location of the Photo 4
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Reproduced with acknowledgement to Looking NNW towards the site of Bankfield Cottages
View across the fields from
Millerhill Road. © Peter Stubbs Please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk Photo taken: August 29, 2014
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: July 31, 2014 |
Message 7. George Lewis Southampton, Hampshire, England |
Thank you to George Lewis who wrote: |
Tin Houses "I can't remember the the Bankfield Cottages, but do remember the 'Tin Houses' up The Wisp because I had a friend at St Francis' School, and his family lived in one. The last time saw Danny they were living in Danderhall that must have been in 1950's."
George Lewis: Southampton, Hampshire, England, ex-8
Niddrie Mains Drive, Edinburgh |
Message 8. Lyndsay Montgomery Old Town, Edinburgh |
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Thank you to Lynsay Montgomery who wrote: |
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Living at The Wisp "It's been a while since I was last on the EdinPhoto web site, but I now see that someone has been talking about the Wisp and asking about some huts on it, I lived all my young life (till I was 14 )at the bottom of said Wisp, played and built gang huts on it and often walked upit and along past a farm and cottages and round by Cradle Brae ( a steep hill heading towards Newcraighall), and no huts to be seen, so maybe by the time I was 6 or 7 they had been pulled down.
"I lived all my young life, until age 14, near the crossroads at the bottom of The Wisp. - I played on it and made gang huts on it - I often walked up The Wisp and along past a farm and cottages it to go to play on Cradle Brae, a steep field on the way round to Newcraighall but at no time was I aware of any huts anywhere on it. Perhaps by the time I was six or seven, around 953 or 1954, they had been pulled down ** ".
The King Family "As for the Lady Wauchope Estate, my mother knew the King family who lived in the farm cottages next to the big house. - Mr King was a worker on the estate and Mrs King worked at the big house as the cook - When she wasn't working, I think Mrs King used to go to any weddings or funerals in the area, even if she didn't know the people. - She was very religious, and was also a teacher at the Mission just along near the school. - She had a son and daughter called Jimmy and Marion, both of them much older than me. - Jimmy would have been called 'slow' then. He had very bad eyesight and wore thick-lensed glasses. He was a lovely man. - When the occupants of the big house died, the King family bought a house up the street from me, on the road to Newcraighall. They must have been reasonably 'well off' for the time, as their house was quite a big one." The Vessie Family "My mother was also friendly with an elderly couple Mr and Mrs Vessie. - They lived in the lodge at the gate of the Estate on the Wisp, - I remember, once, when I visited them with my friend, Julia, to take messages to them. When asked a question, Julia stuck out her tongue. Even I was shocked!" The Vass Family "The Vass family lived farther up the Wisp, behind the big gtes on the left-hand side of the road, going The Wisp. - I knew Mrs Vass From seeing her, every day, at the co-op, down the street from me. - They had a son who was a bit older than me. He went to Portobello High School, as it was then. They lived behind these big gates on the left side going up the Wisp." Other Families "There were another 2 or 3 houses, together on the opposite side from the road from the Vasses, but I didn't know much about them other than that the lady who lived in one of the houses had a terrier called Judy who was blind and who used to bang into things on her way up and down the road." The Anderson Family At the bottom of the steep part of the Wisp, there was a row of houses. The Anderson family lived in one of the houses. - Alan was the boy. He worked for Bernard Hunter, then later for young Bernard,. He now has a haulage company. Growing Up My knowledge of the Wisp ends there. As I grew up, my interests turned to pop music and boys. Lyndsay (formerly Linda) Montgomery, Old town, Edinburgh: August 30, 2014 (2 emails) |
Message 9. Winnie Lisowski Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland |
Winnie Lisowski emailed me, thanking me for contributions to this page. Winnie wrote: |
Thank You - 1 "When I meet Jean, this weekend, she will be over the moon with all the details Bankfield Cottages and pictures of The Wisp that I now have for her. Can you please thank Dick Martin and Simon Capeldi for the information about Bankfield Cottages that they have provided? It has been so helpful." Winnie Lisowski, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland: September 1, 2014 |
Thank you to Winnie for writing again, after reading more contributions to this page. Winnie wrote: |
Thank You - 2 "I am honestly overwhelmed by the number of posts that have been added to this page. I find it so interesting to read all the stories people have written about their lives at The Wisp when they were young, and the information you have found about the fire and fire stations. Thank you to George Lewis, Lyndsay Montgomery & Colin Foster for their stories. It's like they’ve turned the ‘clock back in time’." Winnie Lisowski, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland: September 2, 2014 |
Message 10. Colin Foster Edinburgh |
I looked in The Scotsman digital archive to see if I could discover when and how the fire that destroyed Bankfield Cottages occurred. I found no report of the fire in The Scotsman archive, so decided to visit Colin Fraser, a former fireman to see if he remembered the fire. He was in attendance at The Museum of Fire, in the old fire station at 76-78, Lauriston Place, so I met him there today. Incidentally, he told me that he joined the Fire Brigade in Edinburgh on September 1, 1964. That was 50 years ago today! When Colin joined the Brigade, these fire stations were all operating in Edinburgh: - Lauriston Place - Leith - Stockbridge - Angle Park - London Road - Sighthill (new). These fire stations had not yet been built: - Tollcross - Liberton - Macdonald Road - Marionville - Newcraighall I asked Colin about the fire at Bankfield Cottages. He immediately recalled the fire. Here is story as he remembers it: Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: September 1, 2014 |
Bankfield Cottages Fire Ball Lightning "I remember the fire at Bankfield Cottages. It was caused by ball lightning that hit the roof of one of the cottages, then rolled along the roof spaces of the other cottages, that were of pitched, boarded and slated construction. The properties were destroyed, but there were no fatalities." Fire Crews "I was on duty at the time and remember hearing the fire services' radio calls concerning the fire, though I was not called upon to attend it. The area around The Wisp lay in something of a 'black hole' then, the nearest fire stations being in Dalkeith, Musselburgh, London Road and Lauriston. Now, fire stations have been built much closer to The Wisp. They are at Liberton and Newcraighall." Year of the Fire "The year of the fire would have been some time between about 1966 and 1972, possibly in the late-1960s." Colin Foster, Edinburgh: September 1, 2014 |
Message 11. Gordon Davie Abbeyhill, Edinburgh |
Thank you to Gordon Davie who wrote: |
My Family at The Wisp "I’ve been following the thread on The Wisp with some interest. My grandmother was born there in 1897, though we are not sure in which house the family lived. My great-grandfather worked in the buildings shown just to the left of the gasometer in this 1914 map 1914 Map © Reproduced with acknowledgement to National LIbrary of Scotland Map Room This was where the gas was actually manufactured. However the gasworks had closed down about ten years before the map was drawn, which was when the family moved to Portobello, so they were long gone by the time of the memories being posted. Gordon Davie, Abbeyhill, Edinburgh: September 2, 2014 |
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