Patrick Thomson's
'PT's
and
J & R Allan
and
other shops nearby
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PT's Store at South Bridge - Before the move
to North Bridge
See 'Recollections 2' below
©
Copyright: For permission to
reproduce, please contact
peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk
Recollections |
1. |
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada |
- New School Term
- X-Rays for Shoes |
2. |
Patrick
Hutton
New Town, Edinburgh |
- Location of PT's |
3. |
Carol Lamond
Argyll, Scotland |
- Piano |
4. |
Carol Lamond
Argyll, Scotland |
- Uncle Hector
- Another World |
5. |
Mike Melrose
Greenbank, Edinburgh |
- Patrick Thomson's
- J&R Allan
- Any Other Comments? |
6. |
Bryan
Gourlay
Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland |
- J&R Allan
- Peter Allans
- Starks
and Bairds |
7. |
Bob Sinclair
Queensland, Australia |
- Patrick Thomson's
- Peter Allans
- Bairds |
8. |
Paul
Sutherland
Glasgow, Scotland |
- Patrick Thomson
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9. |
Lynda Young
USA |
- Patrick Thomson
- Santa
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10. |
Alan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Scotland |
- Patrick Thomson
- Santa
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11. |
Yvonne Cain
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Scotland |
- Patrick Thomson
- Hugh
- Selling Records
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12. |
Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh |
- J&R Allan
- Army Surplus Stock
- Gas Mask Carriers
- Parachutes |
Recollections
1.
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada |
Thank you to George T Smith who wrote: |
New School Term
"While
re-equipping our grand-daughter for a new term at primary school, I
was reminded of my own less lavish equipment.
After a visit to
PT's (Patrick Thomson's in the Bridges) for, at best, a new blazer,
cap and shoes, and perhaps some pencils and a pencil sharpener I was
regarded as ready for the new term.
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X-Rays for Shoes
"Shoe buying
at PT's was greatly aided by the X-raying of ones feet to ensure a
comfortable fit and room for growth, using a machine very like a
'What the Butler saw' machine from a seaside fairground. I believe
these machines were banned sometime in the 1950s.
On return to
school,
Craiglockhart in my case, if new shoes were spotted, classmates
would pursue you till they had had a chance to stand on the new
shiny black toecaps and dent them. This ritual had a name which I
have forgotten but was a bit like 'Giving you your dumps' on your
birthday and was similarly good natured."
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Please click here to read more of
George's memories of shoes that were worn at
Craiglockhart Primary School.
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George T Smith, Nanaimo, Vancouver Island, British
Columbia, Canada
September 25, 2009
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Recollections
2.
Patrick Hutton
New Town Edinburgh |
Patrick Hutton wrote: |
Location of
PT's
Question
"That's
an interesting postcard of PT. But at some point that building
was demolished and replaced by what is now the Bank Bar. When?
I came to
Edinburgh in 1974. PT's, as I remember it, was on the NE
corner of the Royal Mile / North Bridge."
Patrick Hutton, New
Town, Edinburgh: October 6, 2009
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Answer
PT's moved across the Royal Mile,
from South Bridge to North Bridge, in 1906 - about the same
time as the postcard at the top of this page was published.
Please click on the thumbnail image
below to read more about the history of the company:
©
Peter Stubbs: October 6, 2009
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Recollections
3.
Carol Lamond
Argyll, Scotland |
Carol Lamond wrote: |
Piano
"My
Great Uncle Hector used to play the piano in PT's in the 1970s, I
think."
Carol Lamond,
Argyll, Scotland: October 7, 2009
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Recollections
4.
Carol Lamond
Argyll, Scotland |
Thank you to Carol Lamond for writing again telling
me more about her Uncle Hector who played the piano at PT's.
Carol wrote: |
Uncle Hector
"Hector Phillips was married to Peggy . They lived
together with Peggy's unmarried sister Marjory, at 72 Allan Park
Drive, in Happy Valley. Hector, in his youth, had been a
concert pianist.
Another World
"As
a child, I would visit their posh house which was very much art deco
inside.
It was two long bus rides away
from our home in Magdalene, and it was like entering another world .
It was a
wonderful world of elevenses, 'three rings on the phone' (we didn't
have a phone), 'snifters' of gin, whisky, and Pimms -
and best of all, but mortifying too to an 8 year old girl, Great
Uncle Hector vamping away at the piano, belting out 'The Stripper'.
The difference between this world of
plenty and our world of lean times was even greater than two bus
journeys."
Carol Lamond,
Argyll, Scotland: October 8, 2009
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Recollections
5.
Mike Melrose
Greenbank, Edinburgh |
In May 2011, I added this old photo of Patrick Thomson's Store in South
Bridge to the web site:
©
That provoked a few responses beginning with this one from Mike Melrose
who wrote:
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Patrick Thomson's
"The Patrick Thomson’s building shown was,
in later years operated as a department store by the name Peter Allan’s,
I recall."
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J&R Allan
"Directly opposite (on the
west side of South Bridge) was a separate
department store, at the same time,
by the name J & R Allan’s,
I recall."
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Any Other Comments?
"Perhaps some other contributors could confirm
or correct my recollections."
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Mike Melrose: Greenbank, Edinburgh: May
31, 2011 |
Recollections
6.
Bryan Gourlay
Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland |
Thank you to Bryan Gourlay who replied: |
J&R Allan
"J&R Allan’s had one of its entrances on the
corner of Chambers Street and South Bridge. The store continued northwards
on the west side of South Bridge to the other side of the Cowgate.
There was a link just below street level where
you could walk between its premises on the south and north side of the
Cowgate."
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Peter Allans
"I’m sure Peter Allan’s was on the west side
of South Bridge leading up to and on the corner of South Bridge and Tron
Square." |
Starks and Bairds
"I can’t remember what was in the old Patrick
Thomson’s premises, but:
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Starks for School Wear and
-
Bairds shoe shop
were in the next two blocks to the south on
the east side of South Bridge.
The South Bridge had a far more upmarket range
of shops in the 1950s and 1960s than it does now." |
Bryan Gourlay, Biggar, Lanarkshire, Scotland |
Recollections
7.
Bob Sinclair
Queensland, Australia |
Thank you to Bob Sinclair who wrote: |
Patrick Thomson's
"I recollect being whisked by my mother into
Patrick Thomson's for some school gear, then being taken up to the tea
rooms for afternoon tea and to listen to either a pianist or a three piece
orchestra.
It was a wonderful place for a young boy
except when mum wanted to go to the ladies department."
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Peter Allans
"I also remember going into Peter Allans next
to the Tron Square to get measured for my first pair of longs. It seemed
to take the man an awfully long time to measure the inside leg and I was
glad when it was all over."
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Bairds
"Bairds to me was great - all those lovely
shoes in beautiful boxes and they all smelled good, the shoes that is.
I thought that this was the job for me when I left school, but it wasn't
to be.
It was fascinating to go to the viewer and see
your foot bones, and how the feet fitted into the shoe size -
amazing stuff!"
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Bob Sinclair, Queensland, Australia: June 1, 2011 |
Recollections
8.
Paul Sutherland
Glasgow, Scotland |
Thank you to Paul Sutherland who wrote: |
Patrick Thomson's
"My mother started work at Patrick Thomson's
in the early-1940s, as a trainee tailoress, at the weekly wage of 7s 6d.
The local train service was such that she was
able to go home to Portobello for lunch and be back in time for work
within an hour."
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Paul Sutherland, Glasgow, Scotland: June 5, 2011 |
Recollections
9.
Lilian Young
USA |
Thank you to Lilian Young who wrote: |
Patrick Thomson's
"I recall being taken to Patrick
Thomson's
several times to purchase school uniforms. I particularly recall the
sales people as being very much like Mrs. Slocum and Captain Peacock from
the British Comedy 'Are you being served?' and how they always seemed to be
annoyed with the children getting their uniforms
On one visit to the store, my lovely Mother spied an emerald green hat
and requested permission to try it on, only to be told by a very snooty
saleswoman that that was impossible as the hat had been designed for a
young woman. My Mom was perhaps about 35 at the time. We bowed
to her experienced opinion that day, but Mom returned and eventually found
a saleswoman who would sell it to her. Can you imagine
any sales person telling a customer today that they cannot try anything on?"
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Lilian Young, USA: June 7, 2011 |
Recollections
10.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England |
Thank you to Alan Dodds who wrote: |
Patrick Thomson's
"When I was about six I went to Patrick
Thomson's at Christmas to see Santa. Whilst my mother was looking at
some other things, I didn't realise that I was agreeing to have my
photograph taken in his grotto.
My mother was unimpressed when she was asked
to stump up two and sixpence!"
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Allan Dodds, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England:
June 13, 2011 |
Recollections
11.
Yvonne Cain
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia |
Thank you to Yvonne Cain who wrote:
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Hugh
"A
while ago, Avril Finlayson Smith asked (in
Recollections 26 on the 'Shops in Central Edinburgh' page of the web
site) about the tall blond
man who worked in the record department of Patrick Thompson. His
name was Hugh. I think my dad knew him and worked at one time with
him at Hoover in George Street.
Selling Records
"I can remember one Christmas at Patrick
Thomson's, they were flat out selling things and music was playing
loud. A lady came and asked him: 'Is this where you buy
records?'
He said: 'No. It's a butcher shop in
disguise' She.she went and told the Manger and he came down the
stairs and stayed watching him for the rest of the day.
I don't know why I remember that - it must
have been about 55 years ago."
Yvonne Cain,
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia:
January 8, 2013 (2 emails) |
Reply
12.
Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse,
Edinburgh |
After suggesting a date of 1946-47 for this photo of three workers at
Edinburgh coal merchants,
Robert Ritchie, based on the army surplus clothing that two of the men
were wearing, Bob Henderson gave more of his memories of army surplus
items available in that era.
©
Bob wrote: |
J& R Allan
Army Surplus Stock
"I remember vividly, in 1946-7, a sale of army
surplus in J&R Allans.
Gas Mask Carriers
This sticks in my mind as I still have the gas
mask carrier that I got for sixpence. They were the standard piece of gear
for carrying school books then.
Small Parachutes
I also got a couple of small parachutes which
I think came from paralume flares. We used them to launch teddies etc.
from the Salisbury crags."
Bob
Henderson, Burdiehouse, Edinburgh: April 19, 2014 |
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