Edinburgh
Police Boxes
Recollections
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After I added some photos of Edinburgh
Police
Boxes to the web site, a few people sent me their recollections of
Police Boxes in Edinburgh.
See below. |
Recollections |
1. |
Tony Ivanov
Bo'ness, West Lothian, Scotland
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- Canongate
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2. |
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada
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- Police Boxes in Use
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3. |
Neil Lawrence
Colinton, Edinburgh
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- Police Box Dump
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4. |
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada |
- Photos
- Photos and
Recollections
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5. |
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada
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-
Torphichen Street and
Corstorphine
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6. |
David Legge
Colinton, Edinburgh
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-
Henderson Street, Leith
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7. |
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada
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- Further Research
- Blue Lamps
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8. |
Peter Stubbs
Edinburgh
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- Sky Lantern
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9. |
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada
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- Interiors
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10. |
Peter Stubbs
Edinburgh
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- Photos of Interiors
- Community Policing
- Boxes Open
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11. |
Trish
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- Ebenezer MacRae
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12. |
Alan Watson
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-
Prototype Police Box
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13. |
Neil Lawrence
Colinton, Edinburgh
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- Police Box Dump
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14. |
John C White
Thames, Coromandel Peninsula,
New Zealand
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- Police Box at Belhaven
Terrace
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15. |
Ian Smith
Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland
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-
Sirens on Police Boxes
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16. |
Gus Coutts
Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland
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-
Sirens on Police Boxes
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17. |
Simon Capaldi
Sheriffhall, Midlothian, Scotland
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-
Sirens on Police Boxes
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18. |
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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-
Sirens on Police Boxes
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19. |
John B
Powmill, Perth & Kinross, Scotland
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-
Sirens
- Police Boxes +
Elsewhere
- Testing
- New System,1960s
- Testing again
- Upgrade, 1980s
- Decommissioned:
1990s
- Use by Fire Brigade
- Celebrating New Year
(No)
- Timekeeping (No)
- Accidental Sounding,
1986
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20. |
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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-
Sirens on Police Boxes
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21. |
John B
Powmill, Perth & Kinross, Scotland
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-
Sirens
- Police Boxes +
Elsewhere
Sir Raid Sirens
- Accidental Sounding,
1986
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Recollections
1.
Tony Ivanov
Bo'ness, West Lothian,
Scotland |
Thank you
to Tony Ivanov who wrote: |
Canongate Police Box
©
"The police box
on the north side of the Canongate is remembered well by me.
As a child, I used to live at Chessel's
Court which is just down a little and on the opposite side of the
road. I remember,
on a least one occasion, being taken
inside this box by the local policeman only to have my 'lugs skelped'
for doing something I shouldn't have. If
I'd told my parents I would have had another 'skelp' for having done
something wrong in the first place.
I'm
not saying I approve of this but maybe it wouldn't do some
youngsters any harm to receive this short sharp method of punishment
when caught misbehaving."
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Tony Ivanov, Bo'ness, West Lothian, Scotland:
October 7, 2010 |
Recollections
2.
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada |
Thank you
to George Smith who wrote: |
Police Boxes In Use
"The Police
Boxes were an assurance of prompt help in days when domestic phones
were much less common.
Although the boxes were a constant part
of the street furniture in my youth, I was
never bad enough to see the inside.
I always understood them to be a
useful facility for the beat policeman.
I am surprised no former policemen have
made comments so far.
My brother, a former sergeant
who now lives in Italy,
says they were a useful stopping places on a cold night, but I think
they had some more formal purpose. I have asked him for any
comments or anecdotes he has, and have
referred him to your site."
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Questions
"When were
they made obsolete? What reason was
given? Are there still beat bobbies?
We
seldom see police on foot in the local streets
here in Canada, though occasionally one sees a pair on
bicycles wearing crash helmets sweat shirts and cargo shorts.
Canada has an informal dress code of course."
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George T Smith, Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada: October 8 + 10, 2010 |
Reply
Hi George:
- I believe that the Police Boxes were
phased out around 1970, when the police were issued with personal
radios.
- I frequently see Police 'on foot'
around the centre of Edinburgh. They are a less common site
around the suburbs.
- I remember reading, a year or two
ago, that there were plans for the police to start using the box
in the Grassmarket again. There can sometimes be rowdy
behaviour in the Grassmarket on Saturday evenings.
©
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:
October 10, 2010 |
Recollections
3.
Neil Lawrence
Fountainbridge, Edinburgh |
Thank you
to Neil Lawrence who wrote: |
Police Box Dump
"I have been following with
interest the various pictures of the old Edinburgh Police Boxes on
the EdinPhoto site.
I grew up at Shandon and one of our
favourite alternative playgrounds was the 'Police
Box Dump'. We
used to climb over into the North Merchiston Cemetery at the disused
gents toilets that used to be situated at the main gate to the
Caledonian Brewery
Once in the Cemetery we jumped over
another wall at the far side which took us into the area now
occupied by Gorgie Farm.
This was the 'Police
Box Dump' – so named because there were
about 20 old Police Boxes in various states of disrepair, stored in
the centre of the area. It was great for
games when you were aged 14 or 15 (in
about 1976/77).
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Corporation Ash Depot
This area had
formerly been the Corporation ash depot,
where ashes from everybody’s fires were loaded onto waiting railway
wagons. The roadways were ramped to
allow carts to dump waste ash straight into open topped wagons.
My wife’s Grandad worked there
'till the 1940s,
when he was killed there after being kicked in the head by one of
his work horses in 1946.
Here is a picture of Robert Porteous
holding the horse. He was killed by the horse.
I assume the flags and horse brasses might have been a
celebration of the end of he war in 1945, but I
might be wrong).
Robert was survived by his 5 children
and beloved wife Alison Melville Porteous who died in 1994, my wife
shares he name.
This photograph
was taken in what is Gorgie Farm.
The cottages in the foreground are demolished now.
I remember playing in their ruins in the early 1970s.
The tenements in the background are the current tenements in Newton
Street, just off Gorgie Road."
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Neil Lawrence, Fountainbridge,
Edinburgh: October 13, 2010 |
Gorgie Farm
Thank
you to Neil Lawrence for telling me about the history of this site
at
Gorgie. The site was once a Corporation Ash Depot and
subsequently became, Gorgie Farm.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:
October 16, 2010 |
Recollections
4.
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada |
Photos
Here are some
recent photos of Police Boxes still standing in
the streets of Edinburgh. None of these is being used
for its original purpose.
George Smith wrote: |
Photos and Recollections
"In these days of police with mobile
phones and Bluetooth-type radios it is difficult to imagine what the
function of a police box was.
A few photos of the interior, and a
glance at the exterior emergency phone system (a flap to the left of
the door containing a red speaker) might be helpful.
It might also get some retired policeman
to write a brief description of their use, together with a few
anecdotes from either a policeman or felons/drunks."
George T Smith, Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada:
December 22, 2010 |
Unfortunately, I don't have any photos
of the interiors of police boxes with their original furnishings and
equipment. Perhaps somebody else might be able to email me
with a photo, or a few memories of the boxes.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:
December 30, 2010 |
Recollections
5.
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada |
George Smith
wrote again and added: |
Torphichen Street
and Corstorphine
"My brother was
a policeman from 1958
until his retirement, at Torphichen Street and Corstorphine
Police Stations. I'll ask if he has any recollections
about the interiors of 'Poliss Boaxes'
and of the uses to which they were put.
I think they were still in active use when he started.
I always believed they were a convenient
place for beat bobbies to brew up tea,
apart from possible use as a holding cell for
drunks and other minor miscreants.
I recall a
hand basin on the back
wall and some sort of desk surface,
no doubt for completion of log sheets, at our
local box. It was on the 'Tram Island'
at the junction of Gorgie Road and Balgreen Avenue."
George T Smith, Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada: December 31, 2010 |
Recollections
6.
David Legge
Colinton, Edinburgh |
Thank you to David Legge
who wrote:
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Henderson Gardens
"I joined Edinburgh City Police in 1972 and
was stationed in Leith. My first 'regular' beat was Box 2 at
Henderson Gardens, opposite Deponio's? Chip Shop. This box had a wartime early warning siren
on top that was tested every year."
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Parties
"Each 'polis' had a 'box key' which you kept on
the end of his whistle chain, along with your 'Metropolitan' whistle. The
box comfortably seated two, but I have
enjoyed parties in the
box with five of us drinking 'bull', the drained
wood alcohol from the empty barrels of whisky in the Docks."
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Fire, Phone,
Sink
"A one-bar electric fire kept us warm in winter,
usually with a recovered cast out oil filled heater supplementing. There was a
telephone which took you through to the Leith Police Station Operator or to another of the twelve police boxes that
covered 'D' Division (Leith). Each shift had twelve officers, one on at
each box, sometimes doubled up with new recruits. This whole area is now
covered by 2 or 4 officers in vehicles.
A sink provided water for drinking and by
standing on the stool and bench, one could manage a pee in the sink. A
bottle of strong disinfectant was always at hand."
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Communications
"The 'civvie driver' delivered all our mail
daily. On each eight-hour shift, you got at least one visit from your
Section Sgt. and maybe the Inspector. We used the two-piece Pye blue radios, ala Z
cars and we changed the batteries each shift when we went into the
station for our 'piece'.
On the night-shift, which was 9.45pm until
6am, you carried round a battery hand lamp and the beat keys and
reference book which gave you access to properties to check the security
and contact the owners if something was amiss."
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Crimes
"On Tuesdays, the 'Stolen Car List' came out
and, armed with this, you had to check your entire beat for dumped, stolen
cars.
Each complaint received was recorded in the
Box Complaint Book and dealt with and answered in 14 days.
You signed on in the Box Journal, did a
'half-hourly turn' then 'hourly turns' after that. All your beat was
covered and you knew everything that was happening. If a property was
discovered broken into after you had been on nightshift, you were phoned at
your house and roused from your sleep to explain how you missed the
crime!
Wonderful memories."
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David Legge (Ex PC 96 - D),
Colinton, Edinburgh: July 5, 2011 |
Recollections
7.
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada |
Research
Thank you to George
Smith telling me about a Canadian
contributor to the Tardisbuilders
web site. The contributor's name is
"Starcross".
Here are some of the facts "Starcross" has discovered.
- there were 142 boxes installed in Edinburgh
- the boxes appear to have been made at Caron Ironworks
- in other locations (i.e. not Edinburgh) they were made of
concrete
- in all UK locations they were painted blue - except in
Glasgow where they were painted red. |
More Photos
Please click this
Tardisbuilders link to see:
- blueprints of an Edinburgh police box.
- photos of some Edinburgh police boxes,
interior and exterior.
- a press photo of the formal
inauguration of the Edinburgh Police Box system on May 25, 1933.
- a press photo from 1962 showing the
original police box in the Grassmarket, complete with siren on top.
- recollections about the use and
testing of sirens on boxes, up to the early-1990s.
- a photo of the remote 'sky lantern'
for the Hunter Square box mounted on the corner of North Bridge and
the Royal Mile. These lanterns were normally mounted on top of
the boxes. |
Acknowledgement: George T
Smith,Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada:
July 11, 2011 |
Recollections
8.
Peter Stubbs
Edinburgh |
Sky Lantern
In
'Recollections 7', George T Smith gives a link to a web site with
various photos relating to police boxes, including one of the 'sky
lantern' on the corner of North Bridge and High Street, for the
police box nearby.
This
sky lantern is still in place. I took a couple of photos of it
recently. Please click on the thumbnail images below to see
them:
©
©
Peter
Stubbs, Edinburgh: July 26, 2011
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Recollections
9.
George T Smith
Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada |
George Smith wrote: |
Interiors
"I have always been curious about the
interior of police boxes and wonder if the
sale procedure will give you an opportunity to photograph an
interior.
I always imagined
that there would have been some sort of tea-
making device, an oversized ashtray, sink and/or toilet facility and
no doubt some sort of hold-fast for hand cuffed criminals awaiting
the Black Maria.
I imagine my curiosity is shared by many
others."
George T Smith, Nanaimo, Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, Canada: May , 2012 |
Recollections
10.
Peter Stubbs
Edinburgh |
Photos of Interiors?
Thanks, George, for your message. I'll try to photograph an
interior to add to the web site. It might not be during the
sales process, as boxes are only being opened by special arrangement
for potential purchasers.
However, this recent article in the Evening News - under the heading
'Thinking Inside the Box' - suggests that there may be
other opportunities.
Here is an extract from the article, which
incidentally had the heading
'Thinking Inside the Box' !
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Community Policing
"Three Police Boxes
in East Edinburgh are set to be reopened for the first time in years
in a bid to boost the force's links with
the community.
The boxes in
Duddingston Road West, Jock's Lodge and Craigentinny Road will be
refurbished and used to host surgeries where residents can meet with
officers to discuss problems with crime and other issues."
[Edinburgh Evening News, May 18,
2012, p.7]
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Boxes Open
It
is planned to open these boxes for just a few hours each week, at
set times for each box. I hope the refurbishment mentioned
will not have taken away too many of the
original fittings in these boxes. Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:
May 24, 2010 |
Recollections
11.
Trish
|
Thank you to Trish, a descendant of Ebenezer MacRae, for sending the
message below to me.
Trish wrote:
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Ebebezer MacRae
"Ebenezer MacRae was my grandfather.
I'd have loved to have been able to buy one of these
Police Boxes. As it was, I was able to get a lot of
pleasure from reading so much about them on the
EdinPhoto site."
Trish: June 2, 2012 |
Ebenezer MacRae
Ebenezer James MacRae (1881-1951) was
Edinburgh City Architect .from 1925 until 1946
*
He was responsible for many public
buildings (housing, schools etc) as well as the unique and classical
style of Police Box installed throughout Edinburgh in the 1930s.
*
Source: Biographical details on
Scottish Architects web site
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Recollections
12.
Alan Watson
Edinburgh
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Thank you to Alan Watson who wrote:
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Prototype Box
"I joined The Edinburgh City Architect's
Department (as it was then called) in the early 1970's and was given
to understand that the prototype police box, a wooden mock-up, was
still being kept on their premises in the High Street."
Alan Watson, Edinburgh: June
2, 2012 |
Where is the Prototype Box
now?
It appears that the prototype box mentioned
above may not have survived. I have contacted staff at
Edinburgh City Archives and at Edinburgh City Museums. Both
tell me that this box is not in their collection, and that they
cannot recall having seen it elsewhere
Peter
Stubbs, Edinburgh: June 7, 2012 |
Recollections
13.
Neil Lawrence
Fountainbridge, Edinburgh |
Thank you
to Neil Lawrence who wrote with more information about Edinburgh Police
Boxes, following the sale of some of the boxes earlier this year.
Neil wrote: |
Applications to move
Police Boxes
"Following
the recent sale of various Police Boxes around the city
earlier this year, there have been applications to have
some of the boxes relocated to the George
Square / Buccleuch Place area.
It's interesting to
see that these
have been refused. The Thomson's,
who are applying for permission to move these boxes,
successfully had one moved to George Square in the early 2000s.
I was surprised that the planning
applications didn't mention the original location that the boxes
would have been moved from.
Neil Lawrence, Fountainbridge,
Edinburgh: November 2, 2012 |
Recollections
14.
John C White
Thames,
Coromandel Peninsula. New Zealand |
Thank you to John C
White who wrote from New Zealand about the
Police Box at Belhaven Terrace that he used to work in:
©
John wrote: |
1958-69
'C' Division
"I joined Edinburgh City Police in
January 1958 and left in mid- 1969 to emigrate to New Zealand with
my wife and children.
I was in ‘C’ Division, West End.
During that period I worked all beats and Mobile Patrols of the
Division. Mostly, from early- 1960s, I worked on the 4th
Section Mobile Patrol covering everything south of Stenhouse and
Calder Roads to Juniper Green, Colinton, Oxgangs, Fairmilehead and
Morningside.
'18' Beat
"In between driving duties for the
Patrol, I worked '18' Beat, Morningside, from Box 34. (Bellhaven
Terrace). It was during this time that the Sub Station at
Oxgangs Road, was opened and I was one of the first to work from
it.
The Police Box
"People often asked what went on in a
police box. Well, it was:
-
a parading point
-
a reporting point and
-
a communications point (prior to personal
radios)
-
a place to eat ones’ piece and have a cuppa.
In those days the boxes were painted
battleship grey. It was joked that the paint was war surplus from
the Royal Navy."
Inside the Box
"The Box was outfitted with:
-
a desk and drawer, for various report forms,
and VA Books (vehicular Accident)
-
a shelf, above the desk, for the Eastlight
file, holding The Chief Constable's Memos, Variation sheets,
Crime reports etc.
-
electric kettle, tea
pot, tin mug and a tea towel that was changed weekly when the box
cleaner did his rounds.
-
a sink and cold water tap.
- a
one-bar electric fire, bolted high on the back wall. It was
of very little effect in winter.
- a
telephone just inside the door that burred
when it rang. A light on the top of the cabinet also flashed
when the telephone rang. That could be seen outside,
especially at night.
Probably the most important item
in the box was the journal in which one had to record ones foot
patrols and any incidents that were being dealt with on route.
This was for safety and enabled you to
be found by the Sergeant or Inspector as well as safety.
Prisoners were seldom detained in the box as it was safer outside.
Community Policing
"When community policing came along in
1967 the boxes were seldom used. I worked from home as a
lived in Morningside, calling into Oxgangs Station to recharge my
radio batteries and get all the up to date information required."
The Police
"I had many friends in the force and
it was a sad day for me when I left. However my wife and I
felt that we could make a better life for ourselves and children
here in New Zealand, so 45 years ago we arrived here.
I never joined the police here. I
retired 18 years ago.
I must admit being a policeman was ,
in my opinion, the best job I ever had and hardly a day goes by
that I don’t think about the old days."
John C White, Thames (an old gold mining town 60
miles south of Auckland)
Coromandel Peninsula. New Zealand: August 7, 2014 |
Recollections
15.
Ian Smith
Ayr,
Ayrshire, Scotland |
Thank you to
Ian Smith who wrote:
|
Sirens
on
Police Boxes
"Sirens on top of
the Edinburgh Police Boxes continued to be blown at odd times to
prove that they were in working order, in case they were needed
during the Cold War.
The sirens were
also used as 'time keepers' for factories and the docks.
They were blown to sound out lunch time at noon, then again at
1pm, double checked by the 'One o' Clock Gun'.
They were also
blown at Hogmanay to celebrate the New Year."
Ian Smith, Ayr, Ayrshire,
Scotland: October 15, 2014 |
Recollections
16.
Gus Coutts
Duddingston,
Edinburgh |
Thank you to
Gus Coutts who wrote:
|
Sirens
on
Police Boxes
"My recollection of the Air Raid
Sirens on Police Boxes is that they were
removed after the end of WW2 but re-installed once
the Cold War really got going,
around the time of The Korean War.
I'm pretty sure that
the sirens were not used by factories
and the docks for time keeping or at New Year.
That would have defeated the whole purpose of Air Raid
Sirens.
The factories and
docks had their
own sirens which had a much less scary tone."
Gus Coutts, Duddingston,
Edinburgh: October 17, 2014 |
Recollections
17.
Simon Capaldi
Sheriffhall,
Midlothian, Scotland |
Thank you to
Simon Capaldi who wrote: |
Police Sirens
"I seem to remember that
all Edinburgh sirens went off simultaneously in the mid 1980s.
It was a mistake but at the time they were meant to warn of
nuclear attack.
It was mid afternoon as I
heard the Magdala Crescent siren scream."
Simon Capaldi, Sheriffhall,
Midlothian, Scotland, October 18, 2014 |
Recollections
18.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England |
Thank you to
Simon Capaldi who wrote: |
Police Sirens
"I think that Ian Smith may have been
right when he said that air raid sirens were used by factories for
time-keeping and marking lunch breaks after the War.
lived just along the road from
Morrison & Gibb the printers in Tanfield and I remember the siren
going off every day at 12.00 noon to mark the lunch break. It went
off again at 12.30 to mark the end of the break.
An MP asked a question in the House in
1946.
The question suggests to me that air
raid sirens were used by factories and that people didn't like
them one little bit."
House of Commons
Question
1946
"John Rankin Glasgow
(Tradeston)
asked the Secretary of State
for Scotland if he is aware that the siren is still being used in
works and factories for assembly and dismissal purposes; and if,
in view of its disturbing effect on public morale, he will take
immediate steps to prohibit its further use."
|
Allan Dodds, Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England: October 18, 2014 |
Recollections
19.
John B
Powmill, Perth &
Kinross, Scotland |
Thank you to
John B who wrote about the sirens on Police
Boxes. I've included most of John's comments below.
John B wrote: |
Edinburgh
Air Raid
Sirens
On Police Boxes and
Elsewhere
"Air
raid sirens in Edinburgh were mostly sited on police boxes
probably because, unlike the police boxes in other areas, the
Edinburgh police boxes were large enough to accommodate the siren
on the roof and control equipment inside, and the need to
negotiate wayleaves with owners of privately-owned buildings would
be avoided.
However, some
sirens in Edinburgh were sited on buildings, including:
-
Police Headquarters in High Street
-
Gayfield Square Police Station;
-
Portobello Baths
- Leith Docks
(2 sirens)
-
a
housing block in Pennywell
-
St
David’s Primary School (after the police box at Crewe Toll was
demolished when a lorry collided with it about 1960)
-
Wardie Primary School (after the police box in Boswall Green was
removed).
I recall that the
sirens were replaced about 1971-72, the new machines having
smaller motor casings."
Testing the Sirens
"In
the post-war era, air raid sirens were tested routinely by
sounding the 'All
Clear'
signal. I remember only two of these tests in the period about
1958 to 1960.
The tests were publicised in advance in
the local press.
Much later I read
about these tests in an Edinburgh police instruction book,
issued in 1959. From
what I recall of that document,
the tests were meant to be carried out twice each year. I assume
the testing regime would be a national standard. Maybe some of
your contributors could confirm how often the tests were actually
made."
New Signalling System
1960s
"In
the early-1960s,
the old remote signaling system which operated the sirens was
replaced with the Carrier Line Broadcast System.
The Carrier Control Point
at Police Headquarters in Edinburgh controlled warning points in
Edinburgh, Midlothian and Peeblesshire, the exact boundary being
determined by telephone exchange areas."
Testing the Sirens on
the New System
"The
Carrier system allowed signalling
to be tested without activation of the sirens. This
'silent test'
was carried out twice annually. On the day of the test, each
siren point was visited by a police officer to verify that an
illuminated push-button was lit on the carrier receiver equipment,
after which the lamp was extinguished by pushing the button."
Equipment Upgraded
Again
1980s
"The
upgraded carrier equipment installed at siren points in the 1980s
was self-testing, dispensing with the need for the silent test.
To verify that the sirens themselves were working, a
'flick test'
was made monthly, at no particular time. The siren point was
visited and the local control box switch pushed just long enough
to hear the siren motor turning.
With sirens mounted
on buildings, it was necessary to let the siren build up to full
speed so that it could be heard from the position of the local
control switch, and anyone in the vicinity would also hear those
tests."
Sirens Decommissioned
1990s
"I
assume that the flick test was still being carried out until the
entire system was decommissioned in the early-1990s."
Sirens used by the
Fire Department
"In
rural areas some air raid sirens were also used to summon retained
firefighters in the days before radio pagers, and for
that purpose the siren was activated by a separate
signalling system
controlled by the Fire Service."
Sirens not used to
celebrate New Year
"I
do not think that the air raid sirens
were ever used to celebrate New Year. It was customary for works’
and ships’ sirens to be sounded at New Year. The UK pattern of
air raid siren has a distinctive tone (in fact two tones as the
impellers at either end of the siren produce two different
frequencies) which I don’t recall hearing at New Year,
although I always heard other sirens at that time."
Sirens not used for
Timekeeping
"Similarly,
I cannot imagine that the air raid sirens were ever used for
timekeeping. The Parliamentary question quoted
in Recollections 18
above does not specifically mention the
use of air raid sirens.
Many industrial
premises did have their own works siren for timekeeping. The one I
remember well was at Granton Gas Works. Their siren produced a
constant tone, and not the gradually rising note associated with
motor powered sirens.
Of the two air raid
sirens in Leith Docks, one was sited on the main building of
Robb’s shipyard, which had its own separate siren for works
timekeeping.
It would not be
possible to activate an individual air raid siren remotely, and
the idea that police officers would be employed in visiting siren
points routinely to activate sirens locally for timekeeping is
inconceivable, quite apart from the obvious confusion that might
have been caused."
Accidental Sounding of
Sirens
1986
"I
recall the incident in 1986 when the sirens in the Edinburgh
Carrier Area sounded the red (attack) warning about 8:00am.
It was a weekday and
I was still in bed at the time, not in the afternoon as
mentioned by another contributor. The incident is mentioned in
this brief report in the
Glasgow Herald:
This event occurred
not long after the upgrade to the Carrier system and installation
of new signalling equipment.
Activation of the
sirens would require a key to be turned in a locking switch, then
a switch to be pushed upwards. The system would then generate a
priming signal followed by the activation signal..
Without the precise
design details of the electronics, it is difficult to assess the
probability that a system fault could result in the production of
the required signals.
Cause of Accidental
Sounding not known
1986
I've
e-mailed a former Post Office
engineer who worked on the carrier system and has created this
RingBell web site on
the subject. I've asked him if he believes that the
Edinburgh incident might have been the result of a system fault,
but he felt
unable to comment, so long after the event. (British Telecom
investigated at the time but found no fault.)
John B, Powmill, Perth & Kinross,
Scotland: November 3, 2014 |
Recollections
20
Allan Dodds
Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England |
Thank you to
Allan Dodds who wrote, after reading
Recollections 19 above: |
Police Sirens
"Wow! More information about sirens
than one really needs!"
Morrison &
Gibbs
"By the way, the works siren at
Morrison & Gibbs was identical to the air raid siren on the Police
box at Canonmills. That's why
people didn't like it, leading to the parliamentary question.
When I go on holiday to Soriano nel
Cimino in Italy, every day they still sound the all-clear on the
air raid siren at 5.00pm to indicate that siesta time is over!"
Allan Dodds, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England:
October 18, 2014
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Recollections
21.
John B
Powmill, Perth &
Kinross, Scotland |
Thank you to
John B for writing again in connection with the
'false alarm' siren that sounded in Edinburgh in 1986, as
mentioned in his Recollections 19 above. |
John B wrote:
Air Raid
Sirens
Accidental Sounding -
Edinburgh - 1986
"I've just received an e-mail
from Steve, keeper of the RingBell
website that I mentioned in my Recollections 19
above.
Here is an extract
from the email that he sent to me.
It adds some information about the possible cause of the
unexplained activation of the sirens in the
Edinburgh area in 1986."
Faults with the Sirens
"I have only recently obtained copies of a monthly
'System News Letter'
sent to staff installing the 'New'
WB1400 during the eighties.
Reading through these, it is apparent there was a fault that
could cause the sirens to sound without any human intervention or
a security key.
I am assuming the fault was triggered by induced voltages
when other equipment within the police station was used.
Such occurrences may have been widespread and may account
for some of the other incidents you mention not just the one in
Edinburgh."
Extract from an email from Steve
to John B: July 20, 2015.
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John B, Powmill, Perth &
Kinross, Scotland: July 20, 2015 |
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