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Granton Middle Pier

What is known about this photo?

Edinburgh Railways  -  Granton Square  -  1955

©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to Alistair McBeath                          Photographer not known.

 

Granton Middle Pier

Thank you to Alistair McBeath, Granton, Edinburgh for allowing me to reproduce this photo.

Alistair wrote:

"This is a picture that I bought on eBay.  It comes from a private photo album.  I'd say that it's of Granton Middle Pier, with a large coaling crane just to the right."

Alistair McBeath, Granton, Edinburgh:  January 17, 2010.

Question

Do you know anything about this photo, or when it might have been taken?  If so, please email me, then I'll add more details to this page on the web site.

Thank you.

Peter Stubbs:  January 21, 2010

 

Reply

1.

Walter Lyle Hume

Cowes, Isle of Wight, England

Thank you to Walter Lyle Hume, Cowes, Isle of Wight, who replied

Princess Mary

"This is another nostalgic picture.  Details are:

-  PRINCES MARY;  Official Number 13321    GN11

-  Built by Alexander Hall, Yard No 496, Aberdeen in 1914

-  225 gross tons, ex-SN27/1933

-  served as a mine sweeper 1915-19

-  served again as a mine sweeper 1940-45

-  Owned by Thomas L Devlin

-  Scrapped at Charlestown-on-Forth, Nov 1956, £4,550.

Walter Lyle Hume, Cowes, Isle of Wight, England,:  January 21, 2010

 

Reply

2.

Hugh McInnes

Thank you to Hugh McInnes who replied:

Princess Mary

"According to the Granton Trawler web site, the trawler in the photo is the 'ST Princes Mary' owned by TL Devlin.

Where was the photo taken?

"I don't think that it is at Granton Middle Pier, as it would have to be on the east side of the pier and in these days, the railway embankment ran along the back, parallel to Lower Granton Road.

Also the skyline looks all wrong for that area of Granton.  I would guess one of the North East coast ports."  ***

Hugh McInnes:  January 21, 2010

*** Update -  Please see Replies 3 + 4 below

 

Reply

3.

Walter Lyle Hume

Cowes, Isle of Wight, England

Thank you to Walter Lyle Hume, Cowes, Isle of Wight, who replied

Middle Pier, Granton

"The photograph was definitely taken at Middle Pier, looking south, with the steam coal crane on the right.

At a guess, one of the Burntisland ferries could be just beyond the old railway slip.  If so, that would date the photo to the early-1950s.

Walter Lyle Hume, Cowes, Isle of Wight, England,:  January 21, 2010

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4.

Hugh McInnes

Thank you to Hugh McInnes who replied:

Granton Middle Pier

"I have to agree that the photo was taken at Granton Middle Pier.  I've been comparing it with the photo of the Edinburgh Burntisland ferry 'Glenfinnan' on our website where the background is much clearer and this makes it quite obvious.

 The black hulled vessel behind the after mast of the 'Princess Mary' is probably one of the NLC vessels, the 'Pharos' or the 'May', which used to berth in that corner in the 1950s."

Hugh McInnes:  January 23, 2010

Please see also Reply 9 below

 

Reply

5.

Robert Grassick

Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Thank you to Robert Grassick who replied:

Not Granton Middle Pier?

"I have just looked at this trawler picture

Trawler, believed to be at Middle Pier, Granton Harbour ©

I 'grew up' on Granton Middle Pier as my dad was one of the maintenance guys there, so I spent all of my summer holidays there.  I regularly watched the trawlers landing.

I am sure that this picture is not of Granton Harbour, as you would have seen the West Pier in the background, as the trawlers always landed on the west side of Middle Pier."

Robert Grassick, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland:  February 24, 2011

Reply

6.

Peter Stubbs

Edinburgh

Thanks, Robert,  for your comments in Reply 5 above.

Granton Middle Pier

"I agree:  in my experience the trawlers invariably landed on the west side of Middle Pier at Granton, and this photo is not of the west side of the pier.

Trawler, believed to be at Middle Pier, Granton Harbour ©

However it looks to me as if, for some reason, this trawler has landed on the east side of the pier. and that the land in the background is the slope leading up from Lower Granton Road to Granton Road."

Comparison of Two Photos

"In 'Reply 4' above, Hugh McInnes wrote: 'I've been comparing [this photo] with the photo of the Edinburgh Burntisland ferry 'Glenfinnan' on our website.

I've emailed Hugh to ask if he can give me a link to the 'Glenfinnan' photo so that others will be able to compare the backgrounds in the two photos.  If I get the link, I'll add it to the EdinPhoto web site."

Peter Stubbs:  March 3, 2011

 

Reply

7.

Robert Grassick

Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Thank you to Robert Grassick who replied:

Not Granton Middle Pier?

"On reflection, I seem to recall that trawlers may have occasionally landed on the East side of the middle pier  if there were was some sort on space issue on the West side.

But, I'm pretty sure that this photo was not taken from the east side of Granton Pier.

-  The background would show (at that time) the railway way embankment which ran from Granton Square.

-  Behind the railway embankment would have been the row of terraced cottages which the Duke of Buccleuch owned.

-  Plus, I donít think this is the skyline above those cottages"

 Robert Grassick, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland:  March 3, 2011

 

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8.

Walter Lyle Hume

Cowes, Isle of Wight, England

Thank you to Walter Lyle Hume, Cowes, Isle of Wight, who replied

Middle Pier, Granton

    Trawler, believed to be at Middle Pier, Granton Harbour ©

"Princess Mary (GN11) is on the east side of Middle Pier, Granton.  The photo is taken looking to the south.

Royal Forth Lady is immediately behind Princes Mary, and Pharos (1909-55) is in the background.

From the clutter on deck, I would say that Princes Mary had just landed its catch.

I would estimate the date of the photo to  be 1954."

GN11

Princess Mary

Here are the particulars of Princes Mary for those who are interested:

-  Official Number:  133321.      GN11.

-  Built:  Alexander Hall, Aberdeen, 1914.    Yard No 946

-  225 gross tons.      ex-SN27/1933.

-  Hydrographic Mine Sweeper  1915-19

-  Mine Sweeper  1940-45

-  Sold to Metal Industries, Charlestown for £4,550

-  Scrapped:   November 1956

-  Owned and operated by Thomas L Devlin.

Walter Lyle Hume, Cowes, Isle of Wight, England,:  March 3, 2011

 

Reply

9.

Peter Stubbs

Edinburgh

Hugh McInnes said (in 4 above):

View from Granton Middle Pier

Trawler, believed to be at Middle Pier, Granton Harbour ©

"I have to agree that the photo was taken at Granton Middle Pier.  I've been comparing it with the photo of the Edinburgh Burntisland ferry 'Glenfinnan' on our website where the background is much clearer and this makes it quite obvious."

Hugh McInnes:  January 23, 2010

When I first read this, I did not realise that the web site that Hugh was referring to was, in fact, the EdinPhoto web site.

Now I know that, I can display the photo that Hugh mentioned.  Here it is (below).

Edinburgh-Burntisland Ferry

At Granton Harbour, 1952

The ferry 'Glenfinnan' at Granton Harbour - 1952

 ©  Reproduced with acknowledgement to the photographer, WAC Smith, Glasgow, and to Irwell Press, Caernarfon, Gwynedd, Wales
This is one of the photos that appeared in 'An Illustrated History of Edinburgh's Railways' (WAC Smith + Paul Anderson.)

 

Reply

10.

Hugh McInnes

Hugh McInnes added:

Granton Middle Pier

"Most trawlers did land their catch on the west side of  Middle Pier but if they were to be in for a few days, they were sometimes moved round to the east side after taking on-board coal bunkers. It was not uncommon for them to be moored on the east side of Middle Pier."

Hugh McInnes:  January 23, 2010

 

Recollections

11.

Stuart McCann

Swifts Creek, Victoria, Australia

Thank you to Stuart McCann who wrote:

Princess Mary

Berthed Where?

"I came across the debates on this page, about the Princess Mary as to whether she was lying on the East side of the middle pier or not."

Janders

"When I got out of the RN in 1949, she was my first berth out of Granton,  The skipper was Alex Woods known as Janders, or perhaps I should say 'Young Janders', as I later found out there was an 'Old Janders, presumably his father.

Sailing

"The point is, I was pretty much a 'pierhead jump'.  The Princess Mary was lying on the East side of Middle Pier with her head pointing inshore at the time, ready to sail.  By the time I had stuffed my gear down in the foc'sle we were out the pierhead and away.  A whole lifetime away."

Shipmates

"Best wishes to you and all my old shipmates"

Stuart McCann, Swift' Creek, Victoria, Australia:  March 10, 2013

 

 

 

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