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Photographs by

James Pike

James Pike  -  Outdoor Photographer

I have seen only two photos by James Pike.  Both are cabinet prints and are outdoor views.  On the backs of these cabinet prints, James Pike gives his address  as 23 Teviotdale Place,  Stockbridge.

Teviot Place is in The Colonies,  housing built by a co-operative of workers, about a mile to the north of the centre of Edinburgh, beside the Water of Leith - not an area where a studio would normally be situated.

The Colonies  - Co-operative Housing

    Reid Terrace, Stockbridge, Edinburgh  -  an engraving based on a photograph by Ross & Pringle

I have found no mention of James Pike in the listings of photographers in the old Edinburgh Trade Directories, so perhaps he took only photographs on location.

1.

A group of adults with viaduct behind
Where and when was this taken?

Cabinet print of a group of adults with a viaduct in the background

  Reproduced with acknowledgement to David Lines

 

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the photo above

  

 

2.

A group of children with viaduct behind
Where and when was this taken?

Cabinet print of a group of children with a viaduct in the background

  Reproduced with acknowledgement to David Lines

 

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the photo above

   A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

 

3.

The back of a James Pike cabinet print

The back of a cabinet print of an outdoor group by James Pike

  Reproduced with acknowledgement to David Lines

 

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on the back of this photo

 

 

Question

Where and when were the photos above taken?

Where is the Viaduct?

   A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

Below are two cabinet prints by James Pike.  Both are outdoor photos, taken with fairly long exposure, judging by the movement of some of the children.

Can you suggest where and when these photos might have been taken?

One of the children is holding a flag.  What is being commemorated?  Do you recognise the viaduct in the background?  If you can suggest answers to any of these questions, please email me.

 

Answers

Which viaduct appears in James Pike's photo?

A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

1.

Archie Young
Moredun, Edinburgh

-  Newtongrange?

2.

Joe McGuigan
Edinburgh

-  Near Hawick? - No

3.

Simon Capaldi
Sheriffhall, Midlothian, Scotland

-  Broxburn to Newbridge?

4.

Archie Young
Moredun, Edinburgh

-  Glencorse?

5.

Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

-  Pathhead?

-  Auchendinny?

6.

Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

-  Pathhead - No

7.

Matt Rooney
Ayrshire, Scotland

-  Newtongrange?

8.

Donald Grant
Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland

-  Glencorse - No

-  Auchendinny?

-  Lasswade?

9.

Phil Wilson
Aberdeen, Scotland

-  Lasswade

Of the many viaducts suggested above for James Pike's photo,
 this is the only one that remains as a possible candidate:

A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

-  Auchendinny

10.

Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

-  Glencorse - Demolished

-  Auchendinny - Photos

11.

Donald Grant
Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland

Lasswade - No

-  Broxburn?

-  Auchendinny?

12.

Donald Grant
Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland

-  Auchendinny

13.

Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

-  Auchendinny - No?

-  Finding Auchendinny Viaduct

So, James Pike's photograph is not Auchendinny.

The only suggestion above that still seems possible is

-  Broxburn

However, please see below for more suggestions.

14.

Graeme Kerr
Selkirk, Scottish Borders, Scotland

-  Cumnock Templand Bridge

15.

Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

-  Cumnock Templand Bridge - No?

16.

Bobby Grierson

-  Cumnock Templand Bridge - ?

17.

Tommy Pearson
West Lothian, Scotland

-  Newtongrange

18.

Graham Maxwell
Kirkpatrick Fleming, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

-  Newtongrange

19.

Tommy Pearson
West Lothian, Scotland

+ additional comment by

Simon Capaldi
Sheriffhall, Midlothian, Scotland

-  Newtongrange

20.

Tommy Pearson
West Lothian, Scotland

-  Location

-  The King's Gates

-  Mr Pike

-  The Old Photo

 

Answer

1.

Archie Young

Moredun, Edinburgh

Thank you to Archie Young who wrote:

Newtongrange?

"The viaduct could be the one at the start of Newtongrange, next to the Sun Inn."

Archie Young, Moredun, Edinburgh:  April 4, 2009

Archie:  I believe that the Newtongrange viaduct is quite a long one.  The viaduct in the pictures below looks to me to be shorter, but I may be mistaken.  What do others think?

   A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

Peter Stubbs:  April 4, 2009

I may well be mistaken.  Perhaps it is Newtongrange.  See Answer 17 below.

August 5, 2010

 

Answer

2.

Joe McGuigan

Edinburgh

Thank you to Joe McGuigan who wrote:

Near Hawick?

"I think that this could be Shankend Viaduct, near Hawick in the Scottish Borders.  It was opened in 1862 and closed in 1969."

Joe McGuigan, Edinburgh:  April 5, 2009

Joe:  I believe that the Shankend viaduct (like Newtongrange, above) is quite a long one.

The viaduct just visible in the photo below looks to me to be much shorter.

   A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

Peter Stubbs:  April 5, 2009

 

Answer

3.

Simon Capaldi

Sheriffhall, Midlothian, Scotland

Suggestions are now arriving at the rate of one per day!

Thank you to Simon Capaldi who wrote:

Between Broxburn and Newbridge?

"The viaduct looks similar to that between Broxburn and Newbridge.  Could it also show a bing that used to be there? "

Simon Capaldi, Sheriffhall, Midlothian, Scotland:  April 6, 2009

Simon:  Thanks for your suggestion.  However, the viaduct that you mention is a very long viaduct, across level ground.

The viaduct just visible in the photo below looks to me to be much shorter.

   A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

Peter Stubbs:  April 6, 2009

 

Answer

4.

Archie Young

Moredun, Edinburgh

Thank you to Archie Young who wrote again, as a follow-up to 1 above:

Glencorse?

"You could be right.  Newtongrange viaduct has about 21 archways

However, could it be the Glencorse viaduct that you already have on the EdinPhoto web site?"

Archie Young, Moredun, Edinburgh:  April 13, 2009

Thanks Archie  -  but even the Glencorse viaduct looks too long to me.

Railway photos - Postcard - The Viaduct and Golf Course, Glencorse

The viaduct just visible in the photo below looks to me to be much shorter.

   A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

Peter Stubbs:  April 13, 2009

 

Answer

5.

Bob Henderson

Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Thank you to Bob Henderson who wrote:

Pathhead?

Auchendinny?

"Here are another two possibilities for the viaduct.

a)  It could be the railway viaduct at Auchendinny.  This is now part of a walkway.  I'll take my camera next time I'm there.

b)  It could be the viaduct that carries the road to Pathhead.  It can be seen if you  turn right down the hill, just after you cross the bridge going into Pathhead.  I have some recent photos of it, but can't find tem now. viaduct could be the one at the start of Newtongrange, next to the Sun Inn."

Bob Henderson, Burdiehouse, Edinburgh:  April 13, 2009

Thanks Bob.  The Pathhead viaduct seems to be about the right length, but I believe that it does not have embankments at the end, as appear in the old photos.  I don't know what the Auchendinny viaduct looks like.

Peter Stubbs:  April 13, 2009

 

Answer

6.

Bob Henderson

Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Thank you to Bob Henderson for sending me this photograph of the viaduct at Pathhead.  Please click on the image to enlarge it.

Pathhead Viaduct

Bob wrote:

Pathhead? - No

"I've found my photo of the viaduct at Pathhead.   The arches are very distinctly different from those in this photo by James Pike:

A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

So, the viaduct in James Pike's photo is not at Pathhead."

Bob Henderson, Burdiehouse, Edinburgh:  April 14 + 15, 2009

 

Answer

7.

Matt Rooney

Ayrshire, Scotland

Thank you to Matt Rooney  who wrote:

Newtongrange?

"What about the Viaduct leading up to Newtongrange?  I sort of remember there being 'Picnic's' near to that when I was younger.

There used to be a Lot of activity in that area.  I remember going below the Viaduct then making for Cockpen and hame to Bonnyrigg.

There was a wee dairy on the left-hand side, just before the crossroads where we turned right and made our way past Cockpen Church."

Matt Rooney, Ayrshire, Scotland:  April 20, 2009

 

Answer

8.

Donald Grant

Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland

Thank you to Matt Rooney  who wrote:

Glencorse? - No

"I've been having a look at the two photos with the viaduct in the
background and whilst I can't say where it is I can say with certainty where it isn't.

It is not Glencorse nor the viaduct near Newtongrange or Lothianbridge to give it its correct name."

Auchendinny?

"As was suggested, there is a viaduct near Auchendinny that could possibly fit the bill, but there is another lesser-known viaduct that should be considered.

The Auchendinny viaduct, incidentally, is on the line that ran past Dalmore Mill, Auchendinny and through Roslin Castle Station.

It is not beyond possibility that the Auchendinny and Glencorse viaducts were actually within sight of each other although they were on different branches.

Lasswade?

"There used to be a branch line from Polton Mills that ran alongside the North Esk and then crossed the river to the east of what is now Kevock Stables at Lasswade on a short viaduct.

The line then entered a tunnel and emerged near Golf Course Road in Bonnyrigg eventually meeting the Waverley Line somewhere in the Hardengreen/Hawthornden area.

The viaduct can be seen from Polton Road, Bonnyrigg.  Like like the Auchendinny viaduct, the Lasswade viaduct is quite short."

Donald Grant, Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland:  April 30, 2009

 

Answer

9.

Phil Wilson

Aberdeen, Scotland

Thank you to Phil Wilson who wrote

Lasswade?

"After Donald's suggestion that the viaduct might be at  Lasswade, I looked and found this photo on  Flickr.

The arches certainly look similar."

Phil Wilson:  May 7, 2009

I agree, Phil.

The arches on the viaduct do look very similar in both photos.

I think we may have found the right viaduct this time!

-  Peter Stubbs:  May 7, 2009

 

Answer

10.

Bob Henderson

Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Thank you to Bob Henderson for telling me:

Glencorse Viaduct  -  Demolished

"Unfortunately, there will be no new photos of Glencorse Viaduct.  It was demolished twenty or so years ago."

Bob added

Auchendinny Viaduct - Photos

"After reading Donald Grant's post about the viaducts last night, I went out to get shots of the one at Auchendinny.  The topography could be made to fit the scene in the original photo, but I am still not convinced.

 

Auchendinny Aqueduct

1

Auchendinny Aqueduct

2

-  Photos 1 and 2 above show the viaduct, seen from each side.

 

Auchendinny Aqueduct

3

Auchendinny Aqueduct

4

-  Photos 3 and 4 above look down from the viaduct to the open grazing area on either side of the structure. These are the only open spots anywhere near to the paper mill, which was the main employer in the surrounding area.

The old photo could have been of a family day out for the paper mill workers."

A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

Bob Henderson, Burdiehouse, Edinburgh:  May 11, 2009

 

Answer

11.

Donald Grant

Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland

Thank you to Donald Grant who wrote

Lasswade Viaduct - Photo

"Here is a photograph of Lasswade viaduct that I took today.  At least one span is completely obscured by the trees that have grown up around the structure."

 Lasswade Viaduct

Donald wrote again after reading Phil Wilson's comments (9 above).

The Pike Photo is not Lasswade Viaduct

"I wish I'd seen the photo on  Flickr, flagged up by Phil Wilson, before I sent my photo.  The Flickr photo is much better.

In any event both the Flickr photo and my photo illustrate that the viaduct in the Pike print is not Lasswade.

You'll see from my photo, and from the one on Flickr, that the terrain around Lasswade viaduct is a fairly steep-sided valley.   In Pike's print, there is nothing behind the viaduct above the parapet, which really rules out Lasswade."

Broxburn Viaduct

"Someone mentioned Broxburn and that remains a possibility.  It is actually two viaducts with a short section of earthworks between them but in the meantime"

Auchendinny Viaduct

"I'll try to get a shot of the Auchendinny viaduct which is also still a contender although again the surrounding terrain may discount it."

I've sent a message to Donald to thank him, but to let him know that I have just received Bob Henderson's photos of Auchendinny Viaduct [10 above] so it won't be necessary for Donald to take more photos of it for the web site.

Donald Grant, Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland:  May 11, 2009

 

Answer

12.

Donald Grant

Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland

Thank you to Donald Grant who added:

Auchendinny?

"I had a go at getting to Auchendinny viaduct on Wednesday but it wasn't accessible by road. Presumably Bob went on foot.

There is a major difference between the viaduct in Bob's photos and the one in the Pike photo but it doesn't rule it out.  Note the distance between the apex of the arches and the top of the parapet.

It's much bigger in Pike's photo, but it's possible that some of the stonework was removed over the years reducing the height of the parapet, possibly during works to open the walkway and install the fence on the viaduct.

Donald Grant, Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland:  May 14, 2009

 

Answer

13.

Bob Henderson

Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Thank you to Bob Henderson who replied, making it now seem unlikely that Auchendinny Viaduct is the viaduct in the Pike photo:

A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

Bob wrote:

Auchendinny Viaduct  -  No?

"I must agree with Donald Grant about the different construction on the Auchendinny viaduct when compared to the original photo.

Having walked over the Auchendinny viaduct many times, I do not think there has been any alteration  to the parapet.  In the shots looking down from the viaduct the tubular handrail you see is part of the original handrail.  A chain-link fence has been erected inside this to protect walkers."

Finding Auchendinny Viaduct

"If Donald would like to see the viaduct, it is accessed by going down the old road, down to where the paper mill used to stand, then following the pathway along the side of the site and through the tunnel.  This leads directly onto the viaduct."

Bob Henderson, Burdiehouse, Edinburgh:  May 14, 2009

 

Answer

14.

Graeme Kerr

Selkirk, Scottish Borders, Scotland

Thank you to Graeme Kerr for suggesting another possible location for this viaduct.

A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

Graeme wrote:

Cumnock Templand Bridge

"After about a year of searching I think I have found where this photo might have been taken.  The bridge to the rear of the group has 5 arches over a valley with corbelling on the uprights as the arches begin and a parapet to the outside of the main span.

I believe this is the old Templand rail bridge in Cumnock.  I can't provide modern images of the bridge as to the best of my knowledge it no longer exists.  However,   here is a link to  a page that shows a 1905 photograph of  Templand Rail Bridge."

Graeme Kerr, October 15, 2009

Thank you to Graeme Kerr for finding this photo on Flickr.  The photo is taken from the Library of Congress Collection in Washington, DC.

 

Answer

15.

Bob Henderson

Burdiehouse, Edinburgh

Bob Henderson replied

Cumnock Templand Bridge

"I have been looking at the suggestion that our railway viaduct mystery may have been solved and that it is the Templand railway bridge.

To me it does not seem so.  The Templand bridge spans a steep sided valley with a river in the bottom. There does not seem to be any open ground as shown in the original picture, where the works outing photograph could have been taken."

Graeme Kerr, October 15, 2009

 

Answer

16.

Bobby Grierson

Thank you to Bobby Grierson who wrote:

Cumnock Templand Bridge

"Here is a  photo of the Templand Viaduct in Cumnock, Ayrshire.  The photo was taken from the Woodland Park in 2009.

Cumnock Temple Bridge

   Cumnock Temple Bridge, Ayrshire - viaduct photographed 2009

Zoom-in

   Cumnock Temple Bridge, Ayrshire - viaduct photographed 2009

There is also  another viaduct in Cumnock.  It is similar but has a curve to it.

I hope this goes some way towards helping you to identify the viaduct in the James Pike photo on your site."

Kames Pike's photo

  A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

Bobby Grierson:  February 23, 2010

 

Answer

17.

Tommy Pearson

West Lothian, Scotland

Thank you to Tommy Pearson for sending me comments and photographs suggesting that this is Newtongrange Viaduct.  (This is the first suggestion that was made when I added the photo to the web site in April 2009.

Tommy wrote:

Newtongrange

"I was brought up in Newtongrange. I snapped this photo on my phone.

Viaduct at Newtongrange  -  2010

I couldn't quite get the same perspective as the original photographs as someone has unhelpfully built a housing estate just behind where they were taken from."

Lothianbridge Viaduct

"I reckon it's the Lothianbridge taken from near the King's Gate on the old A7, where Newbattle Abbey Crescent now is. There used to be a nine hole golf course nearby on the same piece of ground.

Buildings

"There was a paper mill just behind the bridge many years ago. The photos are not conclusive but I'm 60% certain it's roughly the spot where the original photos were taken.

The Sun Hotel is still there and can just be seen in my photo.  There were other buildings under the bridge too - there is what looks like a roof and chimneys 'under' the third arch - but most are gone now, or substantially altered.  Craigesk House is still there but it would be the other side of the viaduct."

Lay of the Land

"I think the bridge looks shorter than it really is in the old photos because you lose sight of the southern end because of the lay of the land, the tree and the framing of the pictures.

A cabinet print by James Pike of a group of children with a viaduct in the backgraound

The rising ground to the left could be the steep valley side to what is known locally as the Red (Redd? - pit spoil) Woods, and of course there is a bing there now which might not have been so big when the photos were taken.

That's where Newtongrange Star's football ground now is.

North British Railway Bridge

"My brother in law is very expert on old Scottish railways and confirms that the bridge in the old photo's is an NBR bridge.

I'll probably try to photograph the bridge again in the winter when the tree cover has subsided a bit."

The Old Photos

"I think two of the men in the adult photo also appear in the picture with the children, so the photos are contemporaneous.  Maybe it was:

-  a works outing?

PSA (Pleasant Sunday Afternoon club)?

 Orphanage outing?

The site of old Dalhousie station is nearby too.  I can't remember when it closed so I can't work out whether it would still have been open when these pictures were taken."

Tommy Pearson, West Lothian, Scotland:  August 2, 2010

 

Answer

18.

Graham Maxwell

Kirkpatrick Fleming, Dumfriesshire, Scotland

Thank you to Graham Maxwell for confirming the location identified by Tommy Pearson in 'Reply 17' above.

Graham wrote:

Newtongrange

"I have followed this discussion with interest over the past few months, but have never been too sure as to any of the suggested places so far, until today.  I completely agree with Tommy Pearson that this is the Newbattle or Lothianbridge Viaduct near Newtongrange, which I pass regularly on the A7.

Although the embankment in the photographs is now covered in trees, a close examination in Google Street View seems to confirm the configuration shown in the old photos, including the fairly abrupt endings of the parapet walls. Also, I may be trying too hard, but in the adult group photograph I fancy I can see the retaining wall alongside the present-day A7 at the northern end of the viaduct over the shoulder of the man holding his hat at the right hand side of the photo.

Everything about the design of the piers and arches seems a good match.

More Photos

"This Wikimedia Commons photo, taken from a very similar angle, does seem to to confirm that from this direction the land configuration makes the viaduct appear shorter than it really is.

Here is a similar viewpoint on Google Street View from Newbattle Abbey Crescent:

Even the mature clump of woodland on the right hand side of the photo seems to match well, and in the children's group photo, there may be buildings visible to the left of the clump of trees, which would correspond with the cottages still present today near the site of Dalhousie station. This woodland is marked on the 1850s OS maps so it would have been present throughout the time-period the picture must have been taken in.

Graham Maxwell, Kirkpatrick Fleming, Dumfriesshire, Scotland:  August 6, 2010

 

Answer

19.

Tommy Pearson

West Lothian, Scotland

Thank you to Tommy Pearson for writing again.

Tommy wrote:

1907

"1907 is my hypothesis at the moment.   See below.

Royal Visit

"This Archive web site refers to a royal visit by the Prince and Princess of Wales in that year. If they did visit Lord Lothian at Newbattle Abbey then, like George the 4th before them, they would enter the abbey through the King's Gate, next to where the photo was taken.

Thank you to Simon Capaldi who added:

The King's Gate

"The Kings Gate can still be found about 300m south of Sheriffhall roundabout on the road to Dalkeith.  It is a massive iron gate built for the King's visit."

Simon Capaldi, Sheriffhall, Midlothian, Scotland:  August 14, 2010

 

Danny Callaghan replied

The King's Gate

"Simon Capaldi referring to the King's Gate, south of the Sheriffhall Roundabout, suggest this would be the gate used for the King's visit to Newbattle Abbey.    But this gate leads to Dalkeith Palace, not Newbattle Abbey.

Newbattle Abbey does have a rather grand entry with square lodge houses to either side, and lions or similar mounted above the side railings.   This gate leads directly up to the front of the abbey, down a formal tree-lined drive.    Next time I am over there, I'll  take some photos.

Danny Callaghan, Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland:  August 16, 2010

From previous research, I believe that the King's Gate was the 'formal' entrance to the abbey and the driveway ran down where the housing estate now is, before passing through what we now recognise as the gate to the abbey.

I think that the Royal visit would explain:

-  the finery

-  the mugs around the necks of the children

-  the union jack

-  the photographer being there

-  why someone went to the bother of taking chairs  there. (Some of the adults are sitting on them.)

-  the fact that they bothered gathering there at all, maybe?"

The Date

"Is that the correct year?   Hmmm... I think so. but the link above also   refers to other Royal visits to 'the district', Newbattle and Dalkeith 'within the last generation', which I suppose leaves open the possibility of an earlier Royal visit  at some point after the viaduct was built i.e. 1847."

 

Danny Callaghan replied

Another Royal Visit

There was another royal visit to Newbattle Abbey.  It was in 1886 by Queen Victoria.   This could have been another possible reason for the gathering photographed by James Pike.

Danny Callaghan, Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland:  August 16, 2010

 

The Location

"I'm 100% certain that this is the Lothian Viaduct, Lothianbridge or whatever the correct name is.  The  RCAHMS title it as Newbattle Viaduct.  The area is Lothianbridge,  which I had always thought came from the viaduct.

The building visible in the third arch is Craigesk House.   (It's still there in all its glory!)  When I first looked at the photo I thought it was on the same side of the bridge as the photographer.  It's not, it's just where it should be, on the other side, and visible through the arch, just as in my photo.

In Newtongrange the viaduct is still referred to as the 'big brigs' or 'big brig'.  It's just down from 'the cowps':  don't ask!"

Who are the Children?

"This is much more difficult to work out.  It may be:

-  the local schoolchildren.  (Perhaps there's another picture of the headmaster, somewhere, for comparison.)

-  some other school.  (A Royal visit would attract folk from all over the place."

Who are the Adults?

"Perhaps the oldest chap on the left of the adult photo could even be J C Carrick, himself, from Carrick House.  The young lady leaning in to him in the photo looks like the identical twin of one of the kneeling ones in the front row - facially very similar and baith wearing the same bunnets.

A couple of the chaps are wearing medals or badges on watch chains.   That might have been common practise on high days and holidays.   I've got pictures of my grandfather from around that time wearing a similar chain (football medals).

I expect that the photographer man would have taken more than two photos on that occasion."

Tommy Pearson, West Lothian, Scotland:  August 10, 2010

Answer

20.

Tommy Pearson

West Lothian, Scotland

Tommy Pearson provided more information to clarify the points he made earlier.

Tommy wrote:

Location

"The Kings Gate associated with Newbattle Abbey, and near the viaduct, is the one just 400 yards or so north of the viaduct on the A7.  It can be seen on this Google Map.

Google Street View

Here is a Google Street View picture of the Kings Gate on the A7.

Tommy added

 James Pike's old photos and my recent photo below were taken from the other side of the gate above, looking to the south, towards the viaduct.

Viaduct at Newtongrange  -  2010

 

 

The King's Gates

"This Kings Gate is the one referred to in John Prebble's 'The King's Jaunt' about George  IV's visit to Scotland, specifically in relation to his visit to Newbattle Abbey.

The other King's Gate mentioned is one of the gates to Dalkeith Palace, on the A68, just near Sheriffhall roundabout, and near the Flavian fort at Elginhaugh.  Both George and Victoria (1842, maybe) stayed at Dalkeith Palace because of the poor state of Holyrood.

Tommy has been doing further research on the web and sent me information on a possible Royal visits by:

-  Victoria to Newbattle in 1886

-  Edward VII and Alexandra to Edinburgh in 1903

-  George V to Edinburgh in 1911.

Tommy added:

Mr Pike

"I'm still inclined to think that the photo was taken in 1907, but based on no more than intuition.  I believe we need some other piece of information to nail this..  e.g. when Mr Pike was active?

 I'm guessing he was a professional photographer, because of the printing on the back of the pictures and because he crammed a lot of people into the photos, perhaps hoping to sell lots of them."

The Old Photo

"Why did Mr Pike use the viaduct as a backdrop and why is the one of the children so off centre?

A couple of the children in the photo are holding books or papers.  Can you make out with a magnifying glass whether there's any print/writing visible?   **

Finally, for the moment, there are one or two little features of the photo that I can't work out..  The photo looks as if it's been touched up or modified in some way.  I've seen other old photo's where details have been enhanced or apparently touched up with a pencil.  It's no great matter, but odd."

 ** Unfortunately, nothing more can be seen on the photo.   - Peter Stubbs,

 

 

Outdoor Photographs by

James Pike

James Pike

Group of Adults

Group of Adults   zoom-in

Group of Children

Group of Children   zoom-in

Back of the Cabinet Print

Back of the Cabinet Print   zoom-in

 

 

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