Recollections
Stockbridge
On the Water of Leith
At the northern edge of Edinburgh New Town
|
1. |
Yvonne Cain
(née
Dorr)
New South Wales, Australia
|
- Pawn Shop |
2. |
Peter Gilchrist
|
- Leslie Place
- Shops |
3. |
Eddie Duffy
Fox Covert, Edinburgh
with comment from
Bob Henderson
Burdiehouse, Edinburgh
|
- Home
- Horses and Carts
- Other Businesses
- Sunday Walks
- Return to
Stockbridge
- The Old Homes |
4. |
Dorothy Land
(née
Jeremy)
Suffolk, England
|
1930s
- The Depression
- Stale Bread
and
Bruised Fruit
- Broken Biscuits
- Shivery Bite
- Apples
- Clothes |
5. |
Jim
Patience
Alberta, Canada
|
- Madame Doubtfire
- Jamaica Street |
6. |
Shirley Thomson
(née Canale)
Yorkshire, England
|
-
Bedford Street
-
Raeburn Place
- Around Stockbridge |
7. |
Allan
Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
|
-
The Steamie and Washing
-
The Steamie
|
8. |
Keith
Main
London, England
|
1960s
-
Milk Deliveries
-
Bruce's the Bakers
-
Clinigan's, Newsagent
-
The Store
-
Tokens, Coupons, Stamps
-
Ice Cream
-
Edinburgh Hse + Paper Stall
-
Opposite Edinburgh House
-
Maison Victor
-
Methven's, Wirelesses
-
Cheyne Street
-
Doctor's Surgery
-
Cleaning Clothes
-
Near Woolworths
-
Ottie Gall, Barbers
-
Evening News Office
-
Pet Shop
-
Tudor Picture House
-
Rankins, Fruit Shop
-
Baird's, Shoe Shop
-
Near Hamilton Place
-
Kerr Street |
Reply from
Ian Young
Hawick, Scottish Borders, Scotland
|
1960s
- Cheyne
Street |
9. |
Elspeth Wallace
Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
|
- Shops
- Evacuation
- Return to
Stockbridge
- Family at Work |
10. |
Elizabeth Fraser
(née
Betty Simpson)
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
|
-
St Vincent's Street
-
Servants' Bells |
11. |
John Clark
Canada
|
-
78 Great King Street
-
126 St Stephen Street
|
12. |
Danny Callaghan
Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland
|
1950
-
Doctor
-
Dentist
-
Johnny the Fishman
1960s
-
Wayne's Café
-
Moir & Baxter-
|
13. |
Bob
Sinclair
Queensland, Australia
|
-
Tudor Picture House
-
Another Stockbridge Cinema?
|
14. |
Eddie Duffy
Fox Covert, Edinburgh
|
-
Tudor Picture House
|
15. |
Allan
Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
|
-
Dentist
|
16. |
Lorraine Bruce
(née
Dutton)
Dingwall, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
|
-
The Colonies Houses
- 31 Bell Place
|
16.
Reply
1. |
Norman R
Pope
Sidney, British Columbia, Canada |
-
The Colonies Houses
- 31 Bell Place
|
16.
Reply
2. |
Les Braby
Borders, Scotland |
-
The Colonies
-
Houses
- Bridge
- Cooperage and Hens
- Swimming Baths
|
16.
Reply
3. |
Les Braby
Borders, Scotland |
-
The Colonies
-
32 Bell Place
|
16.
Reply
4. |
Les Braby
Borders, Scotland |
-
The Colonies
-
31 and
32 Bell Place
|
17. |
William
Stewart
Kingston, Ontario, Canada
|
-
Preachers, the Bakers
|
18. |
Dorothy Finlay
(née
Cossar)
Queensland, Australia
|
-
John Finlay
|
18
Reply
1. |
Hugh
Gray
Australia
|
-
The Grand Cinema
|
19. |
Margaret Cooper
Colindale, North London, England
|
-
Grand Cinema
|
20 |
Elizabeth Fraser
(née Betty Simpson)
Sydney, New
South Wales, Australia |
-
Inside No.18 |
21. |
Eddie Duffy
Fox Covert, Edinburgh
|
-
Bedford Street
- Mrs Guthrie's Toy
School
|
22. |
Philip
McIntosh
Fox Covert, Edinburgh
|
-
Philip McIntosh
Butcher
|
23. |
Caroline Wilson
|
-
Jamaica Street:
Grandfather
|
24. |
Madeline Sweasey
|
-
Raeburn Hall
|
25. |
Margaret Fairbairn
|
-
Jimmy and his Milk Horse
|
26. |
Jaime
Taylor
|
- BBC2 Documentary
- Secret History of our
Streets
- 2012
- 2014
- Which Street?
|
27. |
Robert
Thomson
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada |
- Boys' Brigade:
27th Company
- My Home |
28. |
Robert McLean
Buckinghamshire, England |
- Stockbridge Cinemas
- The Grand
- My
Family
|
29. |
Robin McAra
Trinity, Edinburgh |
- 1940s
- Water of Leith
- Sneaking for Apples
- Streetwise Attitude
- In the Streets
- Aleavoy
- The Botanics
- Inverleith Park
- Summer in the Park
- Winter in the Park
- Accies' Rugby Field
- Glenogle Swimming
Baths
- Flora Stevenson
Schoool
- Dean Village School
- The Cinema
- History of 'The Grand'
- The Halls
- Street Parties
- Grieves' Dairy
- Friends at Mary's
Place
|
30. |
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England |
- Visits to Stockbridge
- The Butcher, Gavin
Nimmo
|
31. |
Bob McLean
Buckinghamshire, England |
- Stockbridge Colonies
- Move to the Colonies,
1962
- After Falshaw Bridge
- 'Glennies'
- Water of Leith
- Puddocky
|
32. |
Ian Tait
Pitlochry, Perthshire, Scotland |
- Grieves' Dairy
- Ramage's Dairy
- Flora Stevenson School
|
33. |
Kathleen Hughes
Liverpool, England |
- Bedford Street
|
34. |
Alex Dick
London, Ontario, Canada |
- Cheyne Street
|
35. |
Simon Clegg
Australia |
- Shops in 1980s
|
36. |
John Keen
Sandtoft, Berkshire, England |
- Stockbridge Fire
Station
|
37. |
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England |
- Shops in 1980s
|
38. |
Liz Karr
(née Elizabeth Henderson)
South Africa |
- Hermitage Place
|
38.
Reply
1. |
Alan Wilson
Trinity, Edinburgh |
- Hermitage Place
|
39. |
Ian Tait
Pitlochry, Perthshire, Scotland |
- Grieves' Dairy
- Ramage's Dairy
- Flora Stevenson School
|
40. |
Ryan
Stockbridge, Edinburgh |
- Golden Wonder Crisps
|
40
Reply
1. |
Andy Aitken
Australia
|
- Bakery
- Golden Wonder Crisps?
|
41. |
Jane Zeitlin
(née
MacLennan)
Giffnock, East Renfrewshire, Scotland |
- Dean Park
- Back Green Concerts
-
Wireless Battery
-
Treats
-
Playing near Home
-
More Memories
|
42. |
Jane Zeitlin
(née
MacLennan)
Giffnock, East Renfrewshire, Scotland |
- My Family and Friends
- My Brother
and Robert Thomson
|
43. |
Frank Davidson
Christchurch, New Zealand |
- Home
and Schools
- Friends
|
44. |
Sandy Philip
Edinburgh
|
- Bedford Street
- Nursery
- Neighbours
- Relations
- Glenogle
- Houses
- Shops
and Scrap Yard
- St Bernard's School
- Inverleith Park
- Grange Cricket Ground
- Learmonth Houses
- Coal
and Logs
- Air Raid Shelters
- Wash House
and Bananas
|
45. |
Sean Macnamara
Finland |
- St Stephen's Street - No 87
- Shops
- Other Premises
- Playing in the District
- Water of Leith
- Filming |
Recollections
1.
Yvonne Cain (née
Dorr)
New South Wales,
Australia
|
Yvonne wrote: |
Pawn Shop
"My dad's friend had the pawn
shop at Stockbridge. His dad had it first. It was called
Duncan. I don't know if it is still there."
Yvonne Cain (née Dorr),
now living in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia: October 6, 2006
|
Jim Patience replied: |
Pawn Shop
"The pawn shop was Wm.
Duncanson's. It was turned into a two bedroom flat in 1998 . The
three brass balls were still on the wall outside at that time"
Jim Patience, Alberta,
USA: April 25, 2008
|
Recollections
2.
Peter Gilchrist
|
Peter wrote:
|
Leslie Place
"I stayed at Leslie Place from
birth 1944 to marriage 1966 and remember the milk cart well as I helped
the milkman whose name was Jimmy to deliver the milk to our street and
St,. Bernard's Crescent."
.
©
|
Shops
"Threshers was originally one
of Rankins' shops, the other being on the other corner opposite the
Fishmonger.
Mrs Bird and her two sons
stayed at number 2 Leslie Place. Their shop was formerly a 'Cigar and
Tobacco' shop run by a little lady called Isa.
I stayed at number 6a." |
Peter Gilchrist, January 25, 2007 |
Recollections
3.
Eddie Duffy
Fox Covert, Edinburgh
|
Eddie wrote:
|
Home
"I grew up in a tenement
at 38 Bedford Street in the 1950s and early 1960s. We were just up
from the bottom of Dean Park Street
There is a street there now
called Bedford Street, but this was built after the original tenements
were pulled down in the late 60's.
We lived on the first floor, my
Aunt lived in the basement. My grandmother lived at No: 32, her sister
at 24, a 2nd cousin at 26 and my Grandfather eventually moved from over
the Water of Leith at Saunders Street to Bedford Crescent, so we were
all within 50 yards of each other.
We moved away from there in
1967." |
Horses and Carts
"There were plenty of characters
in Stockbridge in the at that time:
-
Jimmy "the milkman" delivering for
St. Cuthbert's (with his horse Falcon) as shown in your Leslie
Place picture, having his lunch and a wee nip at 38 Bedford Street on
Saturdays. I was sometimes allowed to help Jimmy on a Saturday and the
seat on the Cart seemed very high up to a 10 year old."
.
©
- Jimmy Simpson, the Rag 'n' Bone
man, who seemed to live around the bottom of Dean Street on the
left hand side past Di Angelo's Ice Cream Shop. The houses there were
mostly derelict at the time, with boarded-up windows and open doorways
and I am pretty sure he kept his horse in one of them?"
|
Other Businesses
"I remember:
- Dora Noyce at 17 Danube Street,
who ran a very well-known house of "ill repute". I delivered milk here
until the early 70's when I worked for Forrest's Dairy in Deanhaugh
Street.
- Madame Doubtfire's on the corner of N.W. Circus Place and Howe
Street. I often wondered if the film, Mrs Doubtfire, was named
after her.
(It
was: see 5 below.)
- The Home Bakery and Preacher's
in Raeburn Place, where everything was freshly made and the hot rolls
were great.
- Johnny's Fish Van, which came
to Saunders Street every Saturday morning. I had to travel there
from West Granton Crescent each and every week as my mother said that
his was the best - fresh!
- Nan's wee shop, down a basement
in Dean Street (just up past the Dean Bar), where you could buy a
"fourpit" of tatties, but only if you brought your own bag for them."
Fourpit
"Eddie mentions a fourpit of
tatties. I thought an explanation of this measure might be of interest
to our younger readers.
A fourpit = 3 1/2
lbs = 1 fourth part =1/4 of a stone.
1 stone = 14 lbs.
1 kilo = approx 2.2 lbs
(lbs = pounds)
Bob Henderson, Burdiehouse, Edinburgh:
April 22, 2008 |
|
Sunday Walks
"I remember my Grandfather
taking my sister and me walking along the Water of Leith on a Sunday
morning, ending up at the sweet shop in Huntly Street for a "wee bottle
of juice" which had to be finished on the premises.
Then the long walk home again,
as my grandad never got the bus anywhere!!
Those were the days." |
Return to Stockbridge
"I am in Stockbridge quite a
lot still, going to Bert's Bar for the Scotland Football Games,
especially. I keep trying to move back there, but it's now so expensive. |
The Old Homes
"When
I lived there, you could not give property away. No-one wanted to
live where we lived. Only one flat out of three on each floor had
inside toilets. The other two had to share one on the landing.
There was no central heating or
bathrooms. These flats were known as "room 'n' kitchens".
Literally a kitchen with a bedroom recess off, divided by a curtain.
I was totally unaware how
underprivileged we were.." |
Eddie Duffy, Fox Covert, Edinburgh:
February 20 + 24, 2007 |
Recollections
4.
Dorothy Land (née Jeremy)
Suffolk, England |
Stockbridge in the 1930s
Thank you to Dorothy Jeremy, now Dorothy Land, who wrote about
Edinburgh in the depression of the 1930s
Dorothy wrote: |
The Depression
"My Grandfather had a light
engineering works ASPEY & SONS, in Leith, which did badly during the
Depression in the 1930's.
I imagine the Depression was felt
by most people throughout Britain from all walks of life.
My grandparents lived in Leslie
Place, Stockbridge, and had expectations of a good standard of living." |
Stale Bread and
Bruised Fruit
"During the Depression my
grandmother fed her four sons and daughter with great ingenuity.
-
She would send out a son in the early
hours with a pillowcase to call at the baker for stale bread. She would
cut off the dry crusts, sprinkle the loaf with water, wrap it in a tea
towel and then heat it through in the oven to soften it.
-
Another son would be sent to the
fruiters (greengrocer) to collect "bruised" fruit. She would then slice
off the bruises, peel away any mould and make a fruit salad." |
Broken Biscuits
"My mother's task was to collect
a paper bag full of 'broken biscuits'. These were the damaged ones
left at the bottom of the manufacturer's tin.
Biscuits were not sold in packets
in the 30's but scooped out with an aluminum scoop from a large square tin
behind the counter.
The kindly shop keeper would
sometimes give my mother a couple of whole biscuits as a treat. All
the children felt humiliated by having to do the rounds of the shops - but
at least they ate well." |
Shivery Bite
"The children had no sweets so,
as a treat, my mother would save the bullet-hard peas she found at the
bottom of her mother's pea and ham soup, twist them in a bit of paper and
save them to suck on later.
If you took these to the swimming
baths and ate them afterwards, as you were getting dressed, this was
called your "shivery bite", she told me.
The local fleapit cinema would
let children in for the price of a handful of empty jam jars.
Inconceivable!" |
Apples
"Despite the hardship my mother
was acutely aware there were some even worse off than her own family.
Her most poignant memory of Edinburgh poverty was always having a handful
of children hanging around her on the school playground while she ate an
apple, all begging her to "gie us yer stump hen" (give me your core).
She would leave a few bites on
the apple, and reluctantly hand it over. |
Clothes
"As for clothes, (apart from
hand-me-downs), the women would laboriously unpick woolen knitted garments
and re-knit them.
My grandmother cleaned for a few
well-to-do ladies and they gave her their old coats. She would then
cut them down to make coats and jackets for her children and the
neighbours' children.
Everyone helped everyone else
out. They were all in the same boat." |
Dorothy Land, (née Jeremy), Suffolk, England:
June 3, 2007 |
Recollections
5.
Jim Patience
Alberta, Canada
|
Jim wrote:
|
Madame Doubtfire
"Re Eddie Duffy Recollection of
Madame Doubtfire. The movie was based on her. There was an article
in 'The International Express' a couple of years ago about her." |
Jamaica Street
"I stayed in Jamaica Street, a
stone's throw from her shop and I still have two cigarette cases I
bought in 1950 or 1951 when I was 13." |
Jim Patience, Alberta, Canada:
April 22, 2008 |
Recollections
6.
Shirley Thomson (née
Canale)
Yorkshire, England |
Shirley wrote:
|
Bedford Street
"I was born at home at 26
Bedford Street and lived there until 1951. My Granny and Grandad lived
in the street as well.
My house is long pulled down
now but reading other peoples recollections brought it all back:
-
Neighbours who were always there to lend a hand
-
No
secrets due to the fact we all lived on top of each other.
-
Mothers who sat out on their
stools and gossiped in the street (on fine days)
-
The
street cleaner who turned on the water so we could splash about."
|
Raeburn Place
"I remember Raeburn Place with
all it’s shops:
-
Remos, where we got our rations of
sweets and cigarettes, during and after the
war.
-
A shop where we got our accumulators which ran the 'wireless'.
-
Trams up to Princess street,
but having to walk back because Mum would only give us fares one way."
|
Around Stockbridge
"I remember:
-
Glenogle Baths
-
Inverleith Park
-
Bonfire Nights
-
'Guising'.
-
Trams up to Princess street,
but having to walk back because Mum would only give us fares one way.
Happy days indeed."
|
Shirley Thomson, Yorkshire, England:
July 7, 2008 |
Recollections
7.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,
England |
Allan wrote:
|
The Steamie and Washing
"In Henderson Row, just before
the Edinburgh Academy, there was a place my Mother used to call "The
Steamie". Women in headscarves and a 'fag' (cigarette) hanging from the
lower lip, wheeling pram (perambulator) frames containing tin tubs full
of dirty laundry, used to frequent it.
My Mother used to refer to them
as the 'hoi polloi', ie the low life who lacked any form of practical
skill whatsoever, as she herself used to take pride in doing her own
washing at home - a scrubbing board followed by squeezing out on the
Acme Wringer - the vanguard in technology!
I was allowed to operate such
equipment at the tender age of five. We were obviously 'posh' and 'with
it' as is the revamped 'steamie'."
Allan Dodds, Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England: October 21, 2008 |
Allan added
|
The Steamie
"The 'steamie' was the municipal
wash-house where scores of Canonmills women took their dirty laundry.
The building has been revamped by
the addition of ornamental railings and it now looks quite attractive."
Allan Dodds, Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England: October 21, 2008 |
Recollections
8.
Keith Main
London, England |
Keith wrote about his memories of Stockbridge,
around the 1960s.
|
Shops
and
Other Memories |
Milk Deliveries
"I remember Willie's
(Thomson's) Dairy at the foot of Dean Park Street. I knew the
family. Getting a ride on the open-backed Murchies' milk van was a big
thrill. Can you imagine that being allowed in 2008?
The Store (Co-Op) milk was
delivered by horse & cart."
©
My granny lived at 17 Dean
Park Street, where another occasional milkman would visit - Sean
Connery. He knew my Aunt Margaret who was a Moxon Girl (a dance
troupe that were the Scottish equivalent of the Tiller Girls) I'm sure
if they were ever 'winching' (another word for your
glossary - going steady).
Margaret danced at The Kings
Theatre and The Gaiety in Edinburgh, and abroad! My earliest
memory was meeting her at the Caley Station where she came off the boat
train from Dublin armed with hat boxes and valises - very glam." |
Bruce's, The Bakers
"A boy at our school (Flora
Stevenson) died in Comely Bank Place when a milk van reversed over him
on the cobbles, not far from Bruce's The Bakers (where my sis was a
Saturday girl).
Another staffer was Mrs Dawson,
a glamorous woman who later became a 'floorwalker' at Goldbergs.
Bruce's cakes were legendary -
French fancies, cream buns, pyramids, pagodas, fresh cream meringues
(very exotic in 1961). The baker's family lived at 41 Comely Bank Rd." |
Clinigan's, Newsagent and
Sweet Shop
"Clinigan's sold stuff like Mivvi
ice creams, Cowan's Highland Toffee,
snowballs, Spanish Gold 'tobacco', Lucky Bags, Fry's
5 Boys, Caramac, Blackjacks, Bazooka chewing gum, Duncan's Walnut Whips,
iced tablet, a poke of bonbons, pan drops and Parma
Violets (to mask the smell of alcohol so your dad wouldn't be
'caught out').
Other shops nearby were:
-
Cowan's fruit and veg (on the corner).
-
Matheson, the Butcher (on the corner of Raeburn Place).
-
Mackies, bakers' and Café, on the corner
of the road that leads to Inverleith Park. It's
now a pizza place."
|
The Store
"The store was a collection of
St Cuthbert's shops. They included a bakery (on the corner of
Bedford St), a butcher, a paint shop and a self-service supermarket
where you paid your account and put money in 'the club' - a savings
scheme.
'The Divi' was a big annual
day out with long queues at Bread Street Coop. There was a loyalty
scheme whereby you got cash back and the money went to buy necessities
such as school uniform, new shoes etc.
Opposite Bread St store was a
shop that sold small glass animals - quite the thing to collect back
then and a nightmare to dust!!" |
Tokens, Coupons and
Stamps
"You also bought your milk
tokens at the store, to put out in the milk bottles on your doorstep.
The tokens were red, black and blue, but I'm not sure what each
represented - half pint? pint? and what?"
Saving stamps off packs of
co-op tea was a big thrill.
I also opened my parents' packs
of Kensita's ciggies, to save the coupons redeemable against gifts. ('We
better hurry up and smoke some more if we're going to get that Li-lo out
the catalogue in time for summer!!')" |
Ice Cream - The
Park Café AND Remo's
"The Park Café was a sweet
shop/ ice cream parlour, but it was not as cool as Remos further along
the road . Remos had a juke box and booths.
Remo was an elderly slim
Italian man with a moustache. He always wore a white coat. The
popular drink was Coke Float (ice cream in Coke).
The Park Café was run by a
stern woman called Miss Martin who was a scout or guides mistress. The
ice cream was great
Mr Whippy's pink & cream vans
were all the rage. But, better was the old van that came around
selling 'oysters, '99's and ice cream in wafers, one of which included
nougat covered in chocolate. The PC brigade wouldn't allow it's name
nowadays." |
Edinburgh House
AND
Paper Stall
"Edinburgh House was a
crammed-high china and giftware shop. Before it was this, Edinburgh
House had been a strange old ironmongers where you went to buy
paraffin, outside which 'George' sold all the Sunday Papers from a stand
there in all weathers - "The Mirror, The Post and The Sunday Pictorial
please!"
FAB 208 magazine was for me.
It had all the lyrics to the hit parade in it so we could sing them on
top of the SMT green and cream bus from St Andrew's Square on the way to
Sunday outings at Gullane Beach, or in whatever car my Dad had bought
from Trotter's Garage in the Pleasance.
Car radios were a luxury , so
we'd take our 'tranny' in the car and hope to pick up Radio Luxembourg
as it played pop, unlike the BBC which played a lot of 'square ' stuff
like Bing Crosby. As you drove away from Edinburgh the reception
faded and you might not pick it up again until nearly at Newcastle on
the A68." |
Opposite Edinburgh House
"Across the road from Edinburgh
House was a philatelist. The owner was a tiny wifey that looked
like Queen Victoria and stood on a box to see over her counter.
Then, there was a haberdashers,
and Dougal's grocery (now a charity shop).
Further along was Preacher's
'Patisserie Perfection' (from around 1966, I think). It had dark
blue walls and pine shelves - very 'mod'. My Auntie Eileen worked
in it.
Armstrong the fishmonger is
still there, with its waterfall cascade window.
Robin in the dairy sold Jubblys
- pyramid shaped frozen orange ices and rolls in big wooden trays.
He also sold Abdine- a popular hangover cure!
Next door was another Café with
a juke box." |
Maison Victor, Hairdressers
"I would be taken to the
hairdressers at Maison Victor (near where L'aquila Blanc chippie is) as
a nipper while my mum was 'under the drier' - a huge beehive-shaped
metal affair where the women had plastic cups put over their ears to
stop them from being burned.
The 'girls' would give me half
a crown (2s 6d) to play 10 songs,
Ray Charles, Eddie Cochran,
Susan Maughan, The Springfields, Billy Fury, Bobby Vee, Del Shannon's
'Runaway' and The Shadows' 'Wonderful Land' were all big hits." |
Methven's, Wirelesses
"Opposite Maison Victor, and
next to George Bower the butcher (still there on the corner) was
Methven's, a wireless shop that also sold the 'hit parade'.
It was here that I was bought
my first ever record: Elvis singing 'Return to Sender'. I was really
disappointed because I' had wanted Cliff Richard's 'The Next Time', but
it was sold out. (My taste got better through the years.) |
Cheyne Street
"Cheyne Street was a bit of a
grim place. A woman who fostered kids there was charged with
murdering one.
I remember. Mary the
stair-cleaner, a lovely but poor old soul with a huge goitre on her neck
lived there . She made a living cleaning people's stairs with a big
brush and a zinc pail full of disinfectant.
Opposite, was George Young's
the butcher *** which had a cuckoo clock and a weather vane in it for
some strange reason, and old style pay desk with a lady who sat in it
and gave kids Smarties from a jar. I always wanted a piece of pressed
beef or potted haugh, not having a sweet tooth.
***
UPDATE
Thank you to Ian Young who wrote:
Butcher's Shop
"The butcher's shop in Cheyne
Street was owned by my granddad Andrew (not George) Young. The
cuckoo clock and weather vane were placed there as a gimmick to get
customers looking into the window.
There was also a clock which my
granddad ensured kept accurate time and a chrome 'hunkered' hare mounted
on a wooden plinth which had been the bonnet mascot from a 1930s Alvis.
The Smarties, another sales
gimmick, were kept in an Ovaltine jar."
Ian Young, Hawick,
Scottish Borders, Scotland: October
19, 2009 |
UPDATE 2
Thank you to Lindsay Young who wrote:
Butcher's Shop
"I've
just read the recollections of Andrew Young’s butchers shop
in Stockbridge, and the response by Ian Young
(above) who happens to be my cousin!
I don’t remember the lady who took
the money but
I do remember, very
well, the stool in the cashiers’ office
because I used to sit on it as a very small child when my father (also
Andrew) took me to visit Grandad's shop
It
was a
black leather-covered
chair, and the front pulled out to reveal
papers and bills etc.
Happy days!"
Lindsay Young: October 6, 2010 |
|
Doctor's Surgery
"The doctor's surgery (Drs
Rankin & Scott) was in a villa set back from the street, opposite the
Post Office (run by Angus) next to The Bendix." |
Cleaning Clothes
"The Bendix was a terrifyingly
boring place for a wean. It was the first of its sort in
Edinburgh, the steamie in Henderson Row being the previous place to
clean your clothes back when washing machines were a real luxury item.
At the Bendix, the 'penny
extractor' a big copper drummed spinner you used before the days of
tumble dryers was always trapping garments in it and shredding them.
You then took the still damp
garments home in a trolley or pram or a tub strapped on to a guider to
'peg out in the back green'.
Kids in Bedford Street (rough
as hell in those days) would climb over the walls and nick your clothes!
The solution was to put barbed wire and broken milk bottles in cement
atop the walls - again, imagine this being allowed now!" |
Near Woolworths
"Wayne's a Café / restaurant
was behind net curtains. It was cheap but not very good as far as I
recall. (Latterly, it became a shop called Pickwicks.)
Next to Wayne's, in what is now
Peckhams, there was a shop that sold nothing but cots, baby stuff and
extremely grand prams with fringed canopies.
There was a TV repairer's yard
where Woolworth's was to be built: the big Woolies was at the East
End of Princes Street (now Burger King, opposite the Balmoral Hotel)." |
Ottie Gall, Barbers
"Ottie Gall, the barbers, was
in the next block (It's still there, as if preserved in aspic with its
wood panelled individual booths.) It was for old men.
I was taken to get my hair cut
at Bob's in Tollcross (the Comely Bank branch came later) where I'd be
allowed to have it styled in a quiff like Billy J Kramer!" |
Evening News Office
"Further along still was the
Edinburgh Evening News Office. I'd be dispatched on a Saturday, late
afternoon, to get The Pink, a special edition on pink paper that had all
the afternoon football scores.
It was here too that you handed
in your 'Spot The Ball' entry - a long running game where you had to
imagine where a football was hidden in a picture from a league match and
win £50 - a FORTUNE!" |
Pet Shop
"There was a pet shop nearby
and a strange drapers (now an estate agents) with a curtain made out of
bottle tops on its door.
It was next to Bert's bar
(still there)." |
Tudor Picture House
"On the street that leads from
Raeburn Place to the Colonies, before you got to the orphanage, stood
The Tudor picture house, also called The Savoy at some later point ***
***
Please see, also,
Recollections 13 below
Films went on for ever The B
picture, the news cartoons, trailers and then the Big Picture . You were
there for about 4 and a half hours. It's a block of flats now.
Stockaree's other picture house
was in Dean Street. I don't recall it, but my Mum said you could
get in by paying with jam jars (which like lemonade bottles from Hendrys
in Abbeyhill got you money when you returned them)." |
Rankins, Fruit Shop
"Opposite the foot of Leslie
Place was posh fruit shop, Rankins. They even sold fresh
pineapples, melons & tangerines wrapped in blue waxed and gold paper and
posh apples imported from Canada called Macintosh Reds.
I remember kids from my school
thinking we were a bit special to have these in a fruit bowl on the
sideboard.
In 1976 I was home in
Edinburgh and remember that not one shop, not even Rankins at the West
End sold avocados! The assistants didn't even know what an avocado
was!" |
Baird's, Shoe Shop
"Nearby was Baird's shoe shop
with its foot X ray machine! You looked into a big contraption in dark
wood and saw the bones of your feet. You were only allowed to go on it
twice a year.
I was in this shop with my
granny when JFK was shot. I was too young to grasp the significance,
but my 'nana' was really shocked and the atmosphere was tense and very
strange that day. People were crying in the streets . It felt VERY
wrong.
My granny dragged me home,
abandoning the purchase of Start Rite sandals, saying 'a bad thing has
happened in America. We need to get home'. It felt quite scary, I
recall." |
Near Hamilton Place
"What is now Pizza Express was
TSB's HQ, with its clock tower.
Opposite, on the corner of
Hamilton place was a wallpaper shop.
India Place, with its
tenements, was further along across the street, up behind the fire
station in Saunders Street (long since demolished). India Place
had a terrible reputation as one of the roughest street's in town. I was
forbidden to even go near it lest I 'catch nits or be sold to the
tinkers!!!'." |
Kerr Street
"The last shop in Stockbridge
was Hodge's, the confectioners, opposite St Stephen's Street.
That whole area was quite dark
and grotty. The bookie's shop was opposite . The owner got shot
dead - a huge local scandal in the early 1970s.
There was a posh furniture shop
on the corner (a dreaded Starbucks now) opposite The Baillie which
became a very trendy bar in the early 1970s by which time I was out at
the discos!
Further up the hill was Madame
Doubtfire's rag and bone shop (Doubties) It stank of cats' pee and wet
old clothes !!" |
Keith Main, London, England: December 20+23, 2008 |
Recollections
9.
Elspeth Wallace
Cambridge, Ontario, Canada |
Thank you to Elspeth Wallace who wrote:
|
Shops
"I was raised at 126 St.
Stephen Street, until I was 8 years old. We were in the top flat,
above Strachan's bakery and Neil's. I can't remember what they
sold."
Up the street, the last store
opposite the Grand Cinema was owned by a Miss Kerr. She lived in
the back of the shop.
I always remember her biscuit
tins, all hung some way in front of the counter. I think they had
see-through tops, or there may have been pictures on the tins. I
don't think there is a store there any more." |
Evacuation
"During the war years, I was
evacuated to Inverness and when I came back we lived at 17 Dean Bank
Lane. The house is gone now." |
Return to Stockbridge
"We had one wireless, a
gramophone and no telephone. I remember walking along to Saunders
street and taking the acid battery for the wireless in to be recharged.
I remember:
-
Baird's
-
Johnny, the fish man who came around
-
Preachers, the bakers. My husband
who is Canadian thought Preachers the best bake shop ever.
We were sorely disappointed, on a
visit home, to find it was gone.
-
Madame Doubtfire's
shop. I was never in there, but passed it on the tram going
to work."
|
Family at Work
"My father worked at Waldie's
at the top of Clarence street. My Grandparents
(Kennedy) and great-Grandparents
(Keith) all lived and worked in Stockbridge."
|
Elspeth Wallace, Cambridge, Ontario,
Canada: February 22, 2009 |
Recollections
10.
Elizabeth Fraser
(née
Betty Simpson)
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia |
Thank you to Elizabeth Fraser who wrote: |
St Vincent Street
©
"This
'Modern Athens Engraving' of St Stephens Church made me think of when we
moved into 18 St Vincent Street (which was to the right of the church
looking down Howe Street).
Servants' Bells
The house was still gas lit,
in parts, and the servants'
bells downstairs were still connected - much to
the annoyance of my mother when my brothers kept ringing from upstairs).
On
each side of the marble? fireplace
there was a round object with a handle which rang the bell downstairs.
The long hallway had an enormous
gilt mirror on the right hand side and a very long hall sideboard thing,
where I used to keep my hockey sticks, tennis racquet and other
'junk'
."
Elizabeth Fraser (née Simpson),
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia: March 17,
2009 |
Recollections
11.
John Clark
Canada |
Thank you to Joh Clark for
responding to Elspeth Wallace's comments (Recollections 9 above).
John wrote:
|
78 Great King Street
"I moved to 78 Great
King Street when I was 16 when my Dad took the job as Clubmaster of the
Royal Engineers' Club,
I believe it still remains there as that club.*
I have many fond memories of these days,
helping my parents to run the bar, and sometimes running it myself. My Mum
and Dad taught me to be a pretty good bartender."
*
Yes: The Royal Engineers club is still at 78 Great King Street.
I have attended meetings of the Edinburgh Transport Group there, this
year, and meetings of the Edinburgh Photographic Society at 68 Great King
Street. - Peter Stubbs: Nov 3, 2009
|
126 St Stephen Street
"After I was married and came
out of my National Service, my wife and I bought a house round the corner
from Great King Street, at 126 St Stephen St.,
where Elspeth lived.
We were on the top floor, First door on the
left. Our window looked out the back.
It was 1960, and we paid £650 for it. We
loved it and we were so proud to be home owners, as it wasn't very common
in those days with young couples.
When I emigrated to Canada before my wife,
a lawyer told her that these buildings were due
for demolition, and she sold for £625.
I believe these flats go for well over
£100,000 now.
Oh well, never mind,
I'm happy with my life now. I enjoyed
being a Stockaree kid for a while, and Stockbridge holds many happy
memories for me. My three boys were born there, while
we were living at 126 St Stephen
Street."
|
John Clark, Canada:
October 27, 2009
|
Recollections
12.
Danny Callaghan
Falkirk, Stirlingshire,
Scotland |
Thank you to Danny Callaghan
who wrote wrote about his memories of Stockbridge.
Danny wrote:
|
Around 1950
Doctor
"Our doctor was Dr Young. His surgery
was up a flight of outside stairs in Kerr Street,
about 25 yards up from traffic tights on right. We used to sit on hard
chairs and benches waiting to see the doctor,
whom I remember had a very bald head."
Dentist
"I went to a dentist
on corner of Eyre Place and Brandon Street. I remember that
once I had apparently punched the dentist when under gas.
He told my mum he would not treat me again.
Johnny the Fishman
"I remember Johnny
the Fishman. He used to come to Broughton
Road and, although we had a fish shop only few
doors along from no 50, my mother used to say,
like Eddie Duffy's mother, that 'his fish was
the best'." |
1960s
Wayne's Café
"Around 1962 to 1965, we
used to go to Wayne's Café, next to
Woolies, for some of the best bacon rolls.
Parking was easy then. (Our
other favourite bacon roll spot was The Toddle In at foot of Cockburn
Street in Edinburgh Old Town.)
Moir & Baxter
"Our company used Moir & Baxter for our petrol
account and van and car repairs. They were
along at end of Comely Bank on both sides of road,
where Safeway
Supermarket (now Waitrose))
was built and next to
to the school.
I remember the day that
when petrol hit five shillings (£0.25) a
gallon there was almost war. Once,
I drove off with the pump nozzle still in the van.
It caused a bit of damage, not much to van but
but it
ripped the pipe off pump and damaged the
pump.
We used to get vouchers for mugs and glasses
and as I was getting petrol all the time collected cases loads. I still
use a few of these free mugs and glasses today." |
Danny Callaghan,
Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland: November 4, 2009 |
Recollections
13.
Bob Sinclair
Queensland, Australia |
Thank you to
Bob Sinclair who wrote:
|
The Tudor Picture House
"Keith Main from Stockbridge
(Recollectons 9 above)
wrote that the Tudor became the Savoy. I
thought it was the other way round.
Agreed, Bob.
The book 'The Last Picture Shows - Edinburgh' by Brendon
Thomas states that the cinema:
-
opened as The Palais in 1911
-
changed its
name to The Savoy in 1921
- changed its
name again,
to 'The Tudor' in 1960.
Bob added:
Complimentary Seats?
"I remember the
Savoy with its row of single seats above and to the left of the main block
of seats and often wondered if they were complimentary seats?
Another Stockbridge Picture House?
"Nearby, on the NW
corner of Raeburn Place and St Bernard's
Row, my mother took me to a picture show.
It was on the second floor of the building which showed two films,
one of Old Mother Riley and another of Charlie Chaplin.
Does
anyone know if it was a hall that could be hired,
or was it a Picture House?"
Bob Sinclair, Queensland, Australia:
January 19, 2010 |
Reply to Bob Sinclair?
If you'd
like to send a reply to Bob,
please email me, then I'll pass on your message to him.
Thank you.
Peter Stubbs: January 20, 2010 |
Recollections
14
Eddie Duffy
Fox Covert, Edinburgh |
Thank you to
Eddie Duffy for replying to
Bob Sinclair's question above.
Eddie wrote.
|
The Tudor Picture House
"The
only Picture House that I know of in Stockbridge was the Tudor. This was
situated in St. Bernard's Row, just behind where the Raeburn Bar (recently
Bert's Bar now the Stockbridge Tap) was,,
on the corner.
You did have to climb up a steep
staircase to get in, so maybe this is the same place? A
block of flats now stands there."
Eddie Duffy, Fox Covert, Edinburgh:
April 6, 2010 |
Recollections
15.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,
England |
Thank you to Allan Dodds for responding to Danny
Callaghan's comments in 12 above. Danny wrote
|
Dentist
"Danny Callaghan mentions the
dentist that I attended in my childhood. He was Mr McArthur and his
sister acted as Receptionist
When you rang to make an
appointment, her sepulchral tones announcing: 'McArthur Dentist!' would
put the fear of God into you. However, this actually set realistic
expectations as Mr McArthur never used any form of anaesthesia when
drilling teeth and it was invariably a white knuckle ride followed by a
splitting headache for hours after."
Allan Dodds, Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England: October 21, 2008 |
Recollections
16.
Lorraine Bruce (née
Dutton)
Dingwall, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland |
Thank you to Lorraine Bruce who wrote:
|
The Colonies Houses
31 Bell Place
"Before we moved to the Outer
Hebrides, we lived in 31 Bell Place probably the best of all The
Colonies houses at Stockbridge as it was lived in by the master builder
that had overseen the building of the houses
Our house had beautiful carved
ceilings, a lovely oriel window looking out onto Glenogle Road, and two
good bay windows upstairs. I recall that even the washing line
stands and carved iron window boxes were all listed, as was the house.
It was a happy time with Sya, a
toddler, there and Fergus, a baby. We have often wished we could
have held on to the house when we moved. I recall Sya playing 'Poo
Sticks' on the little bridge. It was a great place to live."
Lorraine Bruce (née Dutton),
Dingwall, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland: September 24, 2010
|
Recollections
16.
Reply
1.
Norman R
Pope
Sidney, British Columbia, Canada |
Thank you to Norman Pope who wrote:
|
The Colonies Houses
31 Bell Place
"I have to question the
address above shown by Lorraine (31 Bell Place). I lived at 2 Glenogle
Place, just around the corner, for 22 years until I moved to Canada in
1958.
I was puzzled by Lorraine's
description of the house and could not recollect such a place, so I
visited the Colonies on Google Maps.
Here is a copy of the photo
which shows 31 and 32 Bell Place. 31 Bell Place is the one on the left.
As you can see it does not fit her description, and is how I remember
it."
31 and
32 Bell Place, Colonies, Stockbridge
©
Google, This page has been taken from the Google Earth web site and
sent to me by Norman R Pope
"I am still intrigued with
Lorraine's description but ask if she will confirm the address."
Norman R
Pope, Sidney, British Columbia, Canada: 18 October 2016 |
Reply to Norman Pope
I have
sent a reply to Norman Pope, and have passed on the latest email address
that I have for Loraine Bruce to him in the hope that he will be able to
get in touch with her and discuss the subject that he has raised above.
Peter Stubbs,
Edinburgh: 18 October 2016 |
Recollections
16.
Reply
2.
Les Braby
Borders, Scotland |
Thank you to Les Braby who wrote:
|
The Colonies
Houses
©
"With regard to the
correct house it would appear that No 32 fits the bill, instead of No
31, as it has an Oriel Window on the gable end overlooking Glenogle Road
as Lorraine said. So perhaps she was just confused when she made
to original post; perhaps even a slip of the finger on the keyboard,
we’ve all done it."
Bridge
"In my recollections of the
area, we used to go down there a lot going too Inverleith Park via the
Bell Walkway and crossing what was then a wooden bridge over the Water
of Leith. I do however seem to remember the bridge being at the bottom
of Bell Place, however it now appears to be in Rintoul Place; Hs
it been moved?"
Bridge over the Water
of Leith
So far as I am aware, the
bridge has been rebuilt, but over the Water of Leith but its
position has not changed. It is certainly it is not as
far west as Rintoul Place.
I also frequently crossed the
bridge during my first few years after arriving in Edinburgh
in 1963. At that time, I lived in the house at the
western end of Rocheid Path, on the corner of Inverleith
Terrace and Arboretum Avenue, so the bridge was on my route
to Central Edinburgh via Canonmills.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:
18 October 2016 |
Cooperage
and
Hens
"I have great memories of all
that area; where the New Houses are near the eastern end of Glenogle
Road there was a ‘Coopers’ (barrel manufacturers), a very big one at
that. I remember they had hens running round the yard with a big
henhouse (coop) on the left as you went in; so big in fact that I went
inside it once, thru the opening for the hens. I was a terrible
little imp then."
Swimming Baths
"Glenogle Baths were just down
the road where we as children went at every opportunity. There was the
Heart of Midlothian Swimming Club on a Monday night after the pool
closed, then there was the Mixed Bathing on a Wednesday when we, as a
family, all attended. We went there on other nights as well, of
course. It was a great 'melting pot' of all the people from the
areas around, not just Stockbridge."
Les Braby, Borders, Scotland: 18 October 2016 |
Recollections
16.
Reply
3.
Les Braby
Borders, Scotland |
Thank you to Les Braby for writing again. Les wrote:
|
The Colonies
Houses
©
"In
Norman’s photograph, you can in fact
see the cast iron floral window box retainer on the upper window of No
32 quite clearly. This supports the view that Lorraine would have
lived at No. 32. "
Bridge over the Water of
Leith
"On looking at the maps on the
EdinPhoto site, I in fact see that I was correct about the footbridge
being at Bell Place when I was a boy as it shows it quite clearly at
Bell Place on the 1940 Inverleith Map. However, in the modern maps it
shows it coming into Rintoul Place/Colville Place.
In fact if you go to Google
Maps and look at the back of 32 Bell Place (it also has the cast iron
window box retainers) which now overlooks Rintoul Place. On the wall to
the left, you will see the original street sign there saying ‘Bell
Place’.
In the old Inverleith map,
Rintoul Place is opposite the Glenogle Baths at the Western end of
Glenogle Road. So at sometime between then and now the Council have
changed the names of the streets down and off Glenogle Road. Does
anybody have any idea when this happened and why? Perhaps when the City
amalgamated with Leith?
I hope all the above makes
sense, I was beginning to doubt myself till I looked at the old maps.
Les Braby, Borders, Scotland: 19 October 2016
Bridge over the Water
of Leith
Thanks for your comments,
Les. However, they have left me somewhat confused:
- I can find no
evidence of the bridge having moved. It is still shown
on all my modern maps as being at Bell Place AND I had a
walk along Rocheid Path and over the bridge today, and can
confirm that it took me into Bell Place near the eastern end
of Glenogle Road.
- I can find no
evidence of any of the Colonies streets having been
re-named. My modern maps still show Rintoul Place as
being in the position that you found it in the older maps,
at near the western end of Glenogle Road, opposite the
swimming baths.
Les: If you have
any recent maps that suggest that the bridge has moved or
that some of the streets have been re-named, I would be
interested to see scans of them.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:
20 October 2016 |
|
Update
Mystery Solved
Thank you to Les Braby for writing again on 22
October, agreeing that the bridge has not moved and that the streets
have not been renamed.
However, Les explained that he had been working from
a Google Maps page that had added the wrong names to some of the
streets. (That's the first time that I've been told about errors
like that on Google.)
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh:
22 October 2016 |
Recollections
16.
Reply
4.
Lorraine Bruce (née
Dutton)
Dingwall, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland |
Lorraine Bruce wrote
Recollections 16 above.
She has now has written again, after reading
Norman R Pope's comments beneath the photo in his
Recollections 16, Reply 1 above.
Lorraine wrote:
|
The Colonies Houses
31 and 32 Bell Place
"I
have not looked in on your page for some time.
When
I did, this evening, I saw a question raised about my recollections
of Bell Place in the Stockbridge Colonies.
Your emailer was quite right to question my
memory. We did not live in 31 but in 32 Bell Place, the one with
the cast iron."
Lorraine Bruce (née Dutton),
Dingwall, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland: September 24, 2010
|
Recollections
17.
William Stewart
Kingston, Ontario, Canada |
William Stewart responded to Elspeth Wallace's
comments (9 above) about Preachers, the
Bakers.
William wrote:
|
Preachers, the Bakers
"Thanks, Elspeth, for the nice
comment about Preachers. I served my apprenticeship there,
starting in 1963 when we were in Prestonfield. We moved to Raeburn
Place in 1965.
Jimmy Preacher was a friend of
my dad, who was also a baker. I worked at Preachers until 1973, when I
came to Canada and settled in Kingston Ontario, and I'm still a baker.
What I learned from Jimmy, I'll
never forget. He was a true craftsman as a baker and confectioner
and owe him a lot. Sadly he passed away a few years ago. It's nice to
read your recollections of Stockbridge."
William Stewart, Kingston, Ontario, Canada: |
Recollections
18.
Dorothy Finlay
Queensland, Australia |
Thank you to
Dorothy Finlay who wrote: |
John Finlay
"I was born at 7 St Bernard's
row, Stockbridge. My grandfather, John Finlay lived in Dean
Street. He was one of eleven children. He was killed at the
battle of the Somme in 1916.
Does anyone in Stockbridge
remember the Finlays?
I remember the Grand Cinema
where you always caught fleas."
Dorothy Finlay, Queensland, Australia: October 2, 2011 |
Recollections
18.
Reply
1.
Hugh Gray
Australia |
Thank you to
Hugh Gray for replying to the message from Dorothy Finlay above. |
John Finlay
"I remember the Grand cinema at
Stockbridge. We used to get two films and an episode of Flash
Gordon. The seats were rock hard and it was always cold. I
remember it mainly because i had my first snog there in the front row.
Nae shame eh?."
Hugh Gray, Australia: Message posted in EdinPhoto guestbook, January
25, 2013 |
Recollections
19.
Margaret Cooper
Colindale, North London, England |
Thank you to
Margaret Cooper who replied to Dorothy Finlay's comments, above: |
Grand Cinema
"I remember the Grand Cinema at
Stockbridge. We used to get two films and an episode of Flash
Gordon.
The seats were rock hard and it
was always cold. I remember it mainly because I had my first snog
there, in the front row. Nae shame eh?"
Margaret Cooper, Colindale, North London, England:
Reply posted in EdinPhoto guestbook, October 3, 2011 |
Recollections
20.
Elizabeth Fraser (née Betty Simpson)
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia |
Thank you to Elizabeth Fraser (née Simpson)
for sending the photograph of some of her family inside their house at 18
St Vincent Street, Stockbridge.
Elizabeth wrote |
Inside
No.18
"This photo was taken in the lounge room
(front room as it was known) at 18 St Vincent's Street, around 1941.
©
My uncle posed some of the family and took the
photograph. Of note is the marble fireplace with the servants’ bell pull
on the right hand side. There were several bells down in the
kitchen, but my mother insisted they be taken off as she was fed up with
my brothers being annoying!
I was contacted some time ago with the current
tenants. The house has been changed enormously. There is no longer a
marble fireplace in the house. It wasn't there when they purchased
the property."
Elizabeth Fraser (née Betty Simpson), Sydney, New South
Wales, Australia
April 16, 2012
|
Recollections
21
Eddie Duffy
Fox Covert, Edinburgh |
Thank you to Eddie Duffy
who wrote: |
Bedford Street
"I grew up here, at No. 38 Bedford Street,
Stockbridge (on the right in this photo) until 1967."
©
Mrs Guthrie's Toy School
"I
attendedattended the Mrs Guthrie's 'Toy' School (nursery).
The school was located in the back courtyard between Dean Street and
Bedford Crescent."
©
Eddie Duffy, Fox Covert, Edinburgh: October 29, 2012 |
Recollections
22.
Dave Ferguson
Blairgowrie, Perth & Kinross,
Scotland |
Here is a message that Dave Ferguson added to the
EdinPhoto Guestbook.
If you feel that you might be able to help Dave to
get in touch with Philip McIntosh,
please email me, then I'll give you Dave's email address so that can
try sending a message direct to him. |
Dave wrote:
Philip McIntosh
Butcher
"I'm trying to contact a Philip McIntosh.
I believe he had a butcher's shop in Stockbridge. We last met in
Osnabruck Germany in 1957 when we were in the army.
I'd be much obliged if anybody can help me to
contact him."
Dave
Ferguson, Blairgowrie, Perth & Kinross, Scotland:
Message posted in the EdinPhoto guestbook: April 19, 2012 |
Recollections
23.
Caroline Wilson |
Here, Caroline Wilson remembers visiting her
Grandfather in Jamaica Street, Stockbridge.
Caroline wrote:
|
Jamaica Street
Grandfather
"My Grandfather lived in Jamaica Street.
His name was Peter McErlean. We
used to visit him as kids in the 1950ss and
possibly in the 1960s.
He
was very hospitable. He used to make us
'worm biscuits' (two
Rich Tea biscuits squashed together with butter
until the butter came out the holes.
He
used to sew the 'Oor
Willie' and 'The
Broons' cartoons from
the Sunday Post together to make a comic for us
to read when we visited him. He was a kind
man.
I
didn't like the toilet in the Jamaica street flat as it was shared,
and smelly. But apart from that,
the flat was ok."
Caroline Wilson, April 18, 2013 |
Recollections
24.
Madeline Sweasey
Trinity, Edinburgh |
Madeline Sweasey wrote:
|
Raeburn Hall
"I am trying to locate an address in
Stockbridge, but have had
no success so far. Some of my ancestors, according to their
marriage certificate, were married in 1921 at the following address:
Raeburn Hall,
33 Raeburn Place Stockbridge.
There are villas there
now. Currently, No.33
is the shop Maxi's.
I wonder if one of
the villa's was called Raeburn Hall and was possibly the church manse?
Maybe your website user's may have a memory of this building."
Madeline Sweasey, Trinity, Edinburgh: August 5, 2013 |
Reply to Madeline?
If you'd like to send a reply to Madeline, please
email me to let me know, then I'll pass on her email address to you.
Peter
Stubbs, Edinburgh: August 7, 2013 |
Recollections
25.
Margaret Fairbairn
The Wirral,
Merseyside, Cheshire
|
Thank you to Margaret Fairbairn for following up the
comments about Jimmy the Milkman with his horse and cart at Stockbridge in
Recollections 2
and 3 above.
Margaret wrote:
|
Jimmy and his Milk Horse
"I love this
photo.
I remember
Jimmy. He was our milkman.
.
©
A lady who lived in our stair
always fed the milk horse. One day she was
chatting away to another old lady in Raeburn Place,
opposite Preachers the Bakers, and was so
engrossed in her conversation that she forgot about giving the horse his
treat.
He got so fed up waiting that
he took himself off and the cart and went through Preachers'
window."
Margaret Fairbairn, The Wirral,
Merseyside, England, November 29, 2012 |
Recollections
26.
Jaime Taylor
Century Films /
Halcyon Films
|
Thank you to Jaime Taylor who wrote about a
forthcoming BBC Programme that will feature a street in Edinburgh.
Jaime is looking for suggestions as to which
Edinburgh street might be used in his programme, and has invited me to add
his request to the EdinPhoto web site. So I've added most of the
details that he sent me to this page
Jaime
wrote: |
BBC2 Documentary
Programme
'The Secret History
of Our Streets'
"I'm
currently doing some research on Edinburgh's social history for a new
BBC2 documentary. We're
looking to identify a specific street in the city with an interesting
20th century history that could be explored for a one hour film."
2012
"To explain a
little: in 2012 the award-winning television series 'The
Secret History of Our Streets' was shown on
BBC2 to great acclaim. Each episode focused on the history of a
different London street and the stories were told by the people who
lived and worked on them over the last 120 years."
2014
"The response to
the series was incredible, both from the public and the press and so the
BBC have now commissioned a second series for 2014, this time based in
Scotland.
Across three episodes on BBC
Two, we'll focus on three particular Scottish
streets (including one in Edinburgh) and their residents, tracing their
history over the 20th century.
It's a living history and we hope to find residents
(and workers) past and present to tell us about their experiences (as
opposed to a TV presenter or historian who is connected to the place by
research only)."
Which Street?
"We've only just
started our research and at this early stage we're hoping to get advice
from residents of the city to help us identify streets that we should
research further.
Ideally they'll have the same architecture
as it would have had in the early 20th century (at least), a street that
isn't solely commercial properties and hopefully some long standing
residents living there too.
We prefer to
explore the less famous streets, for example just as we decided against
Covent Garden, Portobello Road and Carnaby Street in the first series,
we would look beyond the Royal Mile in this series to try and find a
lesser known / less iconic street and history."
Jaime Taylor: Century Films /
Halcyon Films: September 12, 2013 |
1.
Reply to Jaime
Jaime:
Many of the people who have sent the fondest
memories of growing up in Edinburgh have written about streets that have
since been demolished, such as East Thomas Street and the Dumbiedykes
area.
However, there are still areas where I think you
might be likely to find some old residents who have lived for a long time
in the street, and still a 'community spirit' amongst some of the
residents.
Perhaps you might like to consider one of these
streets. All are in or near Stockbridge,
about a mile or less NW of the centre of Princes Street:
a) 'The Colonies'
- philanthropic housing developments for artisans and skilled
workers. Ten such schemes were built in Edinburgh between 1850 and
1910, including one at Stockbridge (Reid Terrace, beside the Water of
Leith, and ten streets parallel to it, to the east).
Here is an old engraving and a recent photo of Reid
Terrace
c.1890
©
2004
©
b) St Stephen
Street, Stockbridge. It has a mix of shops, cafes, etc. on
the ground floors and basements, and housing above. House prices
rose in the second half of the 20th century, as this became an attractive
area to live, beside the Water of Leith and only about half a mile from
Princes Street. An annual Stockbridge 'street party' used to be held
in this street.
Here are two photos of the shop at 51 St Stephen
Street
Early 1900s
©
2009
©
c) Ann Street, a
street on the high ground above Stockbridge, close to Dean Bridge, near
the West End. The street was built in early C19, in the
days of horse and carriage, rather than the motor car. Unusually, for
Edinburgh's New Town, the street has houses with front gardens.
About twenty years ago, I met one of the residents of the street who had
made a scale model of his house.
2.
More Replies to Jaime?
There must be lots of other Edinburgh streets that
could be suggested.
If you'd like to send a message to Jaime, suggesting
a street in Edinburgh that he might like to consider for his programme,
please email me to let me know, then I'll pass on his email address to
you.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: September
13, 2013
|
Recollections
27.
Robert (Rab) Thomson
Hamilton, Ontario,
Canada |
Thank you to Robert (Rab) Thomson who wrote:
|
27th Company
Boys' Brigade
"I was a member of the 27th.
company Boys' Brigade in Stockbridge in the
early 1950s.
I wonder if any of your
contributors from Stockbridge have any memories of that
Company. We had a
drill hall and clubhouse in Dean Street.
In 1955 we won the football
championships of both League and Cup.
There was a picture taken of the team but I have lost mine and I
wonder if anyone has one.
My Home
I used to live at 13 Dean Park
Street so the stories of some people from there and from Bedford Street
really bring back some good memories.
Robert (Rab) Thomson, Hamilton, Ontario,
Canada: October 25, 2013 |
Recollections
28.
Robert McLean
Buckinghamshire,
England |
A few people have already mentioned Stockbridge
cinemas. Here is another contribution, this one from Robert McLean
who writes:
|
Cinemas
"The
Grand picture house was in
Stockbridge, on St Stephen's Street. By
the time I was growing up in the 1960s it had become a bingo hall and
later, I believe, it became a casino."
My Family
"I
was born in Dean Park Street in 1951 and later moved to The Colonies
(Colville Place). My mother, née Margaret
Smith, was born and raised in Stockbridge — India Place then Collins
Place in the Colonies — and her mother and father were both born and
raised in Stockbridge also
In fact, I believe both her
grandparents were from Stockbridge. I
can remember visiting my great granny (Annie Smith née Lindsay) who
lived in one of the upper flats, right on the
corner of Spring Gardens. She could look
out over Kerr St onto Deanhaugh St.
In fact, there was a huge
collection of Smiths throughout Stockbridge.
This meant my uncles, aunties and cousins were all within a few
minutes' walk."
Robert Mclean, Buckingham, England:
November 5, 2013 |
Recollections
29.
Robin McAra
Trinity, Edinburgh |
A few people have already mentioned Stockbridge
cinemas. Here is another contribution, this one from Robert McLean
who writes:
|
1940s
Water of Leith
"During
the summer, we would go and play in the park and
climb the trees along the Water of Leith. It
has now become so gentrified that it’s no longer a children’s paradise.
We would catch minnows and make gang huts from wood we found
along the river."
Sneaking for Apples
"We’d
go on adventures around Stockbridge, sneaking in to the parks, cinemas and
gardens, where we would pinch apples."
Streetwise Attitude
"In the
season we would play conkers, climb trees, or play with fireworks (It
was more fun if you held them in your hand!) so we gradually
developed a streetwise attitude, knowing people to avoid and where to hide
when chased."
In the Streets
"The
streets were our playground. We
exchanged scraps and played:
-
Marbles
along the gutters. (There
were not as many cars then.)
-
Pierries (whipping a small wooden top
along the street. If you had a good whip
and a piece of hemp string you could make it jump and spin for hours!)
-
Diablo.
-
Hide
and Seek
-
American and Japs
-
Cowboys
and Indians
- Robin
Hood
-
fencing with sticks
- bows
and arrows
-
Aleavoy
and other chasing games."
Aleavoy
"Aleavoy
was a chasing game played by two teams of about
5 or 6 kids (or more). One team would hide
and the other team would have to catch them.
The boundaries were about a half
a mile radius from the den, usually Portgower Place, and so, again, you
learned how to:
-
run fast
-
climb walls
-
get into stairs
without having a latch key
-
then go
through the back greens and generally hide.
These games all took place around
the streets. You got to know the neighbourhood and all the children who
stayed there."
The Botanics
"The
Botanics was not somewhere we, as children, went too often as all the
green areas were fenced off with low iron railings and there were signs
saying."
We were chased a lot by the
Keepers, though few of them would risk their air
of authority by actually running after us!"
Inverleith Park
"We
usually went to the Inverleith Park which was
still three quarters ploughed up and used as allotments.
Nowadays only a small part is given over
to allotments."
Summer in the Park
"The
pond was good, watching the sailing boats going from side to side during
the regattas. The owners had a special building where the model yachts
were kept. This has since been pulled down and the pond has now become a
wild bird sanctuary.
In the summer time you would make
a fishing net from an old flour bag (made of cloth in those days) a piece
of wire and a bamboo cane.
You would catch minnows and put
them in a jam jar. Sadly, by the time you
got them home they were usually dead."
Winter in the Park
"If the
winter was cold enough the pond would freeze and skaters would be on the
ice. How did you test the ice?
You persuaded some wee kid to walk across
and if he didn’t fall in, it was probably safe!
If it snowed we’d use the big
hill for our sledges trying to avoid crashing down to the waters’ edge and
breaking through the ice!"
Accies' Rugby Field
"The Accies'
rugby field, in my youth, had a large earthen mound
flattened on the top. This had been
the site of Ack-Ack guns in case of a German bombing raid.
It eventually was bulldozed away
in the 1950s."
Glenogle Swimming Baths
"Swimming
in Glenogle Baths, you could pay a penny and get
a slice of carbolic soap and have a shower before going into the pool,
which was rather chilly as the pipes needed cleaned out.
Usually, the
pool was so busy, that there were set
times when you could swim, according to
the colour of your arm band.
In those days they had spring
boards and a high dive, but now they have been taken away
- the dreaded 'Health and Safety'!"
Flora Stevenson's School
"School
was Flora Stevenson's Primary at Craigleith.
I walked there most days, about a mile. If
it rained, a penny fare on the tram would be the treat.
School meals were provided for 5
pence. We had free
school milk at break time; it came in wee glass bottles and was given out
by the milk monitor. In the winter,
it would sometimes freeze and the foil tops would be forced up by the
frozen milk."
Dean Village School
"In the
winter of 1947 (one of the coldest) the school closed for boiler repairs
and we went to the Dean Village School, a place
that I was to get to know very well later in my
life.
They had pot-bellied
cast iron heaters in the classroom and all the children were asked to
bring a lump of coal to feed the stoves and the open fires.
There was a coal shortage as the miners were on strike."
The Cinema
"A
great source of entertainment and escape from the drabness of everyday
life was the cinema.
Stockbridge had two
cinemas:
-
The Grand in St Stephen Street and
- The
Savoy round the corner from Malta Terrace.
You could get into
The Grand for a penny and stay as long as you wanted, in those days
they were all continuous performances, which meant you could go in at 2.30pm
and stay till 10.30,pm, seeing the same film
again and again.
-
If you had no money you could try to sneak in and pretend you had paid.
-
Jam jars were an acceptable form of currency, 1 penny for a
1 lb jar, 2
pence for a 2 lb jar.
-
Prices for the cinema tickets ranged from 3d
for wooden seats to 1/9d
for the seats with covers on them."
History of 'The Grand'
"Originally,
The Grand had been large stables for horses and
carriages. The rich of the New Town would
have their servants go there to collect their carriages and bring them to
their fine houses in Moray Place, Queen Street and the like.
With the rise of the automobile
it turned itself into a cinema and showed films. The programme changing
twice a week and then every 2 days as the competition from television
increased."
The Halls
"Another
pastime was to go to one of 'The
Halls' in the evening where whist drives and
beetle drives were held. Both were very
popular as they were cheap and you had a chance
to meet friends.
I remember that there were
twohalls, one in Allan Street and another in
Dean Street."
Street Parties
"As the
war came to an end, the men came back to claim
their jobs.
I remember the
street parties held to celebrate the ending of the war.
We, in Malta Terrace,
didn’t have one - I think it was because
they thought they were too posh!
The
Colonies had lots of street parties and it was
amazing to see all the tables being brought down from the houses and laid
out with cakes, sandwiches, lemonade and bottles of Indian Pale Ale.
The streets were festooned with
bunting and Union Jacks and music was provided
by wind-up gramophones and by
radios with extension wires leading from the lower houses."
Grieves' Dairy
"In
1948, my Mother bought Grieves' Dairy
at 70 Raeburn Place.
It was a 'wet'
dairy. That meant that
the dairy bought its milk in churns,
each holding 10 or 20 gallons. There
was a machine into which the milk was decanted and where bottles were
filled, 6 at a time.
There were 4 sizes of bottle:
-
half pint
-
pint
-
pint and a half
-
2 pints.
So, we
had to have hundreds of bottles ready with their
cardboard stoppers. When the shop was
quiet, we would be filling them up ready for the
next day's deliveries. This could go on into the
night and we would get home at all hours.
The bottles had to be washed when
they came back from the customers. This was done in a large (8 feet by 4
feet) galvanized bath in the back shop. Hot water and soap powder
was used and there was a cylindrical brush
attached to an electric motor. This was an ongoing job.
We employed Mrs Forrest, who stayed in
Bedford Street. She came in every day to
wash the bottles and do any cleaning that
we needed done.
The milk we bottled was delivered
by a horse was called Prince with his horse-drawn
cart. Prince and the cart were housed in a
mews off Dean Park Street, a run-down area where
the rich ('the Ann Street mob')
used to keep their horses and carriages,
with space above for their drivers to live.
We employed a man to do the
deliveries."
Working at the Dairy
"Our
life was getting up very early, 6am, and going to the shop were we lived.
We ate all our meals there, did our homework, socialised and helped out
when we could. At night, around 11 pm, sometimes later, we went home
once all the work was done.
The dairy
was open 7 days a week, and at Christmas and New
Year we opened for half a day so that customers could get their cream and
milk fresh. We also sold milk straight from the
churn.
The customers would provide their
own jug and we’d fill it using a pewter measuring jug. When we went on to
glass bottles the complaint was that the glass 'made
the milk taste funny'."
Friends at Mary's Place
"I had
a friend who stayed at 4 Mary's Place
on the top flat with his parents and two sisters. It was a
very basic way to live.
- The
hot water system didn’t go as far up as the top
floor.
-
Neither did the
electricity.
-
In the morning they
would get a ewer filled with hot water,
then put it in a basin and,
all would wash in the same water.
- That
water would then be used for washing dishes and anything
else that needed washed.
- The
family would go to Glenogle Swimming Baths, one a week, for a
'proper bath'.
- Their
cooking was done on a black range in the sitting-room-cum-kitchen.
- Light
was provided by gas. You could buy gas mantles for about 2d each.
They were made of cotton which had been treated, so they were brittle.
They gave off a good light but if they were
holed the light became very poor.
- The
gas, which was made from coal,
was very dangerous. Death by carbon
monoxide poisoning was a very real hazard.
It was said that if things in
your life became too much, as long as you had a shilling for the meter,
you could always stick your head in the oven and get out that way!
- The
family had a radio powered by an accumulator - a
glass container filled with acid which
had 2 strips of copper inside, the reaction between the two would create
an electrical current and thus power the radio.
The
accumulator had to be recharged ever so often by renewing the acid or the
copper strips, so it was taken to the electrician's
shop, next to Bower the
Butcher."
Robin McAra, Trinity, Edinburgh: November 6, 2013 |
Recollections
30.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,
England |
Thank you to
Allan Dodds for following up his memories of Stockbridge in Recollections
7 and 15 above
with more memories below.
Allan wrote: |
Visits to Stockbridge
"Regular visits to Stockbridge
were made as the few local Canonmills
shops had little
to offer during wartime rationing.
Butcher
Gavin Nimmo
"Meat,
such as could
be obtained,
was purchased at Gavin Nimmo’s shop in Henderson Row,
now a private dwelling
house, even although we lived immediately next
door to Porteous the
Butchers in Howard Street.
Mr Nimmo was
reputed by Mother to be
fond of the drink, and his purple nose
confirmed her suspicions
without the need for any independent
evidence or indeed
professional opinion."
Allan Dodds, Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England: October 21, 2008
The memories above are an extract from
Allan's book about his
growing up in Edinburgh, "Laughin' on the Ither Side o' ma Face" |
Recollections
31.
Bob McLean
Buckinghamshire,
England
with a few comments
added by Peter Stubbs |
Thank you to Robert McLean, who wrote
Recollections 28 above, for writing again
with more recollections of growing up in Stockbridge. Here, Robert
describes living at the Colonies, beside the Water of Leith, between
Canonmills and Stockbridge.
Robert wrote:
|
Stockbridge Colonies
Move to the Colonies
"I’d started life in Dean
Park Street, Stockbridge and we moved to the
Colonies in 1962, when I was 10years old.
With a sizeable extended family
in Stockbridge, I was familiar with the Colonies as I had a two aunts
and their families already there.
We moved to Colville Place
(high doors). One of my aunts lived in
the next street, also Colville Place, but a
low door.
**
My mother had moved with her
parents and sister from India Place to Collins Place in the early 1930s,
so I was now growing up in the same street as my mum.
**
Streets
and
House Numbers
**
A few comments on the streets
and house numbers at Stockbridge Colonies may make the paragraphs
above a little easier to follow.
The Colonies at Stockbridge consisted of 11
parallel streets of houses between Glenogle Road and the Water of
Leith, built s low cost housing for artisans, from 1861 onwards.
Each row of houses consisted of separate houses on
two floors:
- lower floor houses had doors opening
to the west.
- upper floor
houses had doors and steps opening to the east.
It was the rows of houses, rather than the streets
between them that were named. so upper floor houses in one block
opened onto the same street as houses on the lower floor of the next
street.
e.g. upper floor houses in
Colville Place opened onto the same street as houses on the lower
floor of Collins Place. |
Peter Stubbs: November 10,
2013 |
After Falshaw Bridge
"For
me, you entered the Colonies when you crossed Falshaw Bridge."
Falshaw Bridge
Falshaw Bridge is the bridge
taking Glenogle Road over Water of Leith, as you approach
Stockbridge Colonies from the west. i.e. from Stockbridge. |
Peter Stubbs
Nov 10, 2013 |
"First,
on your left, there were a few houses and a few
small shops: one was a milliner’s or a draper’s, another was, as I recall,
Nellie’s Dairy, which had been there since the days
when my mother was growing up.
As Glenogle Road swung right and
became the long straight that led to the cooperage and Canonmills, you
passed the bright red front of Linton’s shop."
Linton's Shop
Here are a couple of views of the bend in the road
where Linton's shop once stood. |
Engraving - 19th
century
© |
Photo
- 2004
© |
Peter Stubbs
Nov 10, 2013 |
"Mr
Linton was a lovely older gentleman. It was
a treat for us youngsters was when he’d sell us, for a few pennies, a bag
of broken biscuits. Mr Linton retired and sold to another nice gentleman,
a Mr Kelly, who painted the shop-front grey.
You’d be wakened to the clip-clop
sound of the Store milkman’s horse."
'Glennies'
"Living
in the Colonies was wonderful.
At the
top of our street were 'Glennies'
(Stockbridge Baths, later renamed Glenogle Baths).
Like almost all Colonies kids, I became a
strong swimmer and I loved going to the baths, particularly in winter when
it was virtually empty and you could go in at 7pm and stay until 10pm.
I can remember going to Glennies
to see the great Bobby McGregor show off his speed in the pool.
The crowds flocked to see Scotland’s great hero."
On either
side of the baths, there were routes up to
Saxe Cobourg
Place - the ‘Dummy Steps’ and the ‘The
Snakey’ - or ‘The
Snekkie’ as we tended to call it.
Gabriel's Road
The 'Dummie Steps' were part of the original
Gabriel's Road.
Gabriel's Road dates back to 1717 or earlier,
It's a road that once led from near where Register House was built
at the East End of Princes Street, through Silvermills, then across
a ford on the Water of Leith to Inverleith.
Parts of Gabriel's Road still exist:
- as a footpath off West
Register Street, near Register House.
- at the 'Dummies' steps
on the east side of Glenogle Swimming Baths.
Source: 'The Place Names of Edinburgh (Stewart
Harris) p.262.
The Snakey
The 'Snakey' was the path that
zigzagged up the grassy bank, with railings beside it, on the west
side of Glenogle Swimming Baths. |
Peter Stubbs
Nov 10, 2013 |
"I
suppose it wasn’t very PC to call it the ‘Dummies’ (it had a proper title,
‘Gabriel’s’ something) but I was told the popular name was because it
fringed Donaldson’s School for the Deaf.
I also
remember a bright red postbox on the wall just before the ‘Dummies’.
I remember it had VR embossed on the front."
Water of Leith.
"At the
foot of our street ran the Water of Leith,
which, for some unknown reason, was always called ‘The Dam’.
It was called that in my mother’s day, too. We kids would
have great fun down the Dam in late spring or early summer: if we weren’t
guddling for minnows, sticklebacks or tadpoles, we’d be building a
makeshift dam ourselves, then using improvised rafts to cross the water. I
don’t think we ever crossed without at least one of us falling in!"
Puddocky
"At the
far end of the Colonies was Bell Place, which led to the wooden bridge,
the ‘Puddocky’, over the river then on to a small park,
'The Bellsie’.
As we got older, on those days
when we couldn’t be bothered to go up
to ‘The Big Park’
(Inverleith Park) to play football, we’d have a kickabout in the Bellsie,
although if you ever knocked the ball into the water, you had to go in
yourself and fetch it, no matter how far it had floated downstream.
You’d be surprised just how that
water concentrated the mind and made us all much more accurate in our
play!"
Bob Mclean, Buckingham, England:
November 8, 2013 |
Recollections
32.
Ian Tait
Pitlochry,
Perthshire, Scotland |
Thank you to Ian Tait for replying after
reading Robin McAra's comments in Recollections 29
above.
Ian wrote:
|
Grieves' Dairy
"I
recently had a bit of homesickness after spending some time in
Stockbridge. I browsed your web
site and found this page where I read about a
Robin McAra whose Mother had bought
Grieves dairy in Raeburn Place.
Ramage's Dairy
"My
Grandfather had Ramage's dairy in Dean Street,
latterly Hills dairy for whom I
delivered the milk.
By Jove!
It certainly helped developing your quadriceps,
climbing the stairs and making sure you would
be in time for school."
Flora Stevenson's
School
"From
reading Robin's recollections I feel I may
have something in common with him from
our school days as,
coincidentally, I was also decanted to
the Dean Village School from Flora Stevenson.
My
Teacher was a Miss Smith......................Ouch!"
Ian Tait, Pitlochry, Perthshire,
Scotland: December 23, 2013 |
Recollections
33
Kathleen Hughes
Liverpool, England
|
Kathleen Hughes wrote:
|
Bedford Street
"I've
been reading the messages above with great interest,
especially people's comments about living in
Bedford Street.
My Grandfather
David Wilson
"I'm
seeking information on my grandfather, David
Wilson. He would have been born in
the early-1900s. His
address on my mum's birth certificate,
was St Stephens Street, and I've
been told that he also lived in Bedford
Street, and that he was in the army and his profession was given as
'Hotel, Boots'.
My
grandmother was Catherine,
a domestic servant. My grandfather never married her, but
gave her two children,
Catherine
(my mother) and George. After giving my mum her
name, he left her.
That's
all the information I know about my grandparents.
If anyone knows anything more, I'd love to know"
Kathleen Hughes, Liverpool, England:
April 24 + May 4 (4 emails), 2014 |
Reply to Kathleen
If you know
anything about Kathleen's grandparents and would like to send an email to
her,
please email me, then I'll pass on her email address to you.
Best wishes:
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: May 4, 2014. |
Recollections
34
Alex Dick
London, Ontario, Canada |
Thank you to Alex Dick who wrote:
|
Cheyne Street
"I was a member of the 27
Boys Brigade and lived at 15
Dean Park Street.
Upon reading recollections of
Stockeree, I remembered
Cheyne Street and 'The Slanty', the section of
wall where boys would dare one another to walk across it.
It was refreshing to read
the recollections of Stockbridge."
Alex Dick, London, Ontario, Canada: May 5, 2014 |
Recollections
35.
Simon Clegg
Australia |
Thank you
to Simon Clegg who wrote:
|
Shops in 1980s
"I remember some of
the shops in Stockbridge in the 1980s.
There was:
- a weird record
shop, 'Gutter Music'
- a wee junk shop,
Brozecki (spelling?).
It was opposite a school of some sort.
- an old clothes shop, ‘Madame
Doubtfire', the inspiration for the Anne
Fine novel. I have a picture of the door
knocker from that shop.
Is it really
35 years
ago
that I came to live in Edinburgh? I'm now living in Australia, with
gum trees and kookaburras in my garden."
Simon Clegg, Australia: August 26, 2014 |
Recollections
36
John Keen
Sandtoft, Berkshire, England |
Thank you
to John Keen who wrote:
|
Stockbridge Fire
Station
"I’m trying to find out as much as
possible about Saunders Street Fire Station, Stockbridge,
Edinburgh, as that's where my wife’s father,
John MacDonald, was born in 1921..
I have some history of this building and
pictures of it:
-
in 1935 and
-
close to demolition in the late 1960s
Request
Ideally,
I’m trying to find:
- possible sources or pictures of the
fire station in the 1920s
- any information or recollections about, John
MacDonald, who was born there in 1921.
Can anyone
suggest where I should be looking?
That would be extremely helpful."
Kohn Keen, Sandtoft, Berkshire, England: August 28, 2014 |
Reply to John Keen
Hi John:
Good luck in your search for
a suitable picture of the old fire station! Here
are three places that you could try contacting. All are in
Edinburgh. I trust that you'll be able to find their email contact
details on the Internet:
- Edinburgh Room, Edinburgh Central Library
- Royal Commission on the Ancient & Historical
Monuments of Scotland
- Museum of Fire, Lauriston Place.
If anybody
would like to contact John Keen (possibly with information relating to his
father-in-law, John MacDonald)
please email me to let me know, then I'll pass on his email address to
you.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: September 1, 2014 |
Recollections
37.
Allan Dodds
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire,
England |
Thank you to
Allan Dodds for replying to Simon Clegg's
Recollections 35 above.
Alan
wrote:
|
1980s
"Simon Clegg's recollections
of Stockbridge in the 1980s brought back memories to
me.
He rightly identifies
Mr
Borzecki's shop. It was an antique shop
from which I purchased a 1934 Kodak Retina 1 camera for the princely sum
of £4 - two weeks' wages for me in
those days.
I sold it recently on eBay for
£120 - an hour's wages for me today!"
Allan Dodds, Nottingham,
Nottinghamshire, England: October 21, 2008
|
Recollections
38.
Liz Karr
(née Elizabeth
Henderson)
South Africa |
Thank you to
Liz Karr
(née Elizabeth Henderson)
who wrote:
|
Hermitage Place
"I
was born in 1950 in a wee street off the main Raeburn Place in Stockbridge.
It was called Hermitage Place. There
were only about 10 houses in all.
No.1
was a tenement and so was the last one which I think was
No.10.
I've
lived here in South Africa since 1969 and most of my family in Edinburgh
have passed away
I've
been trying to find out more about Hermitage Place but I believe its
changed name. It was quite a famous little
street. Burke n' Hare rented a room in one
of the places, so it has a lot of history behind it.
I was actually born in the front
room of no 3 on top of some old copies of The Daily Mirror!!
Lol!!.. .I remember,
as a small girl, a man used to come around and
light the gas lamps at dusk
There
were 2 huge lanterns at either end of the street quite magical to a child,
may I add. He was called The
Lamplighter.
Well,
there are so many stories and memories of ,Hermie',
as we called it.. I could write a book!
If you can help me find out what its
called now or if anyone else out there remembers it, I
would greatly appreciate hearing from them"
Liz Karr (née Elizabeth Henderson), South Africa:
August 12, 2015 |
Reply to Liz
Hi Liz:
Here is
what my books tell me:
1.
"There was a Hermitage Place in Leith and a Hermitage Place at
Stockbridge. The one at Stockbridge was named after the traditional
hermit's cave occupied by St Bernard in the Dean Valley of the Water of
Leith."
The Street Names of Edinburgh (Editors: AW Scotland, AJ Taylor, WG Park),
p.160
2.
"Hermitage Place (Stockbridge) is
named on 'Kirkwood 1817' and shown as lying within Henry Raeburn's ground
s figured on 'Ainslie 1804' but reached by a road across an adjourning
property in Dean
Street, displacing its house. The street
was originally secluded by gates at either end,
may have been named for this house, but in any case, the name was fancy.
In 1968, it was changed to RAEBURN STREET (after the adjoining RAEBURN
PLACE) to obviate confusion with Hermitage Place, South Leith."
The Place Names of
Edinburgh (Stuart Harris), p.308
If you'd
like to send a message about Stockbridge to Liz,
please email me to let me know, then I'll pass on her email address to
you.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: 14
November 2015 |
Recollections
38.
Reply
1.
Alan Wilson
Trinity, Edinburgh |
Thank you
to Alan Wilson for adding to my response above to the question asked by
Liz Karr in her Recollections 38 above.
Alan
wrote:
|
Hermitage Place
"From
Liz’s description, it sounded like Raeburn
Street to me, and a quick search confirmed this. This
page on the
Canmore web site
states:
"The name of Hermitage Place, Stockbridge,
was changed to Raeburn Street in 1968 to obviate confusion with Hermitage
Place, South Leith (Harris, Stuart, The Place Names of
Edinburgh, P.333)."
It really is a
lovely street, I often make a point of walking along that way."
Alan Wilson, Trinity, Edinburgh: 8
February 2016 |
Recollections
39.
Ian Tait
Pitlochry,
Perthshire, Scotland |
Thank you to Ian Tait for for writing again.
Ian wrote:
|
Otti Goll
"I visited Stockbridge
early December 2015 and as an experience I had my haircut at Otti Goll's
where I had my first hair cut."
Ian Tait, Pitlochry, Perthshire,
Scotland: January 14, 2016 |
Edinburgh Shops
I have been photographing some of the Edinburgh
shops over about the past twenty years.
Here is a photo of Otti Goll's barber's shop in
Raeburn Place, Stockbridge, that I took in 2009. The shop seems to
have changed little over the decades.
©
Please
click on the thumbnail image above to enlarge the photo and read a little
about the shop.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: 14 January 2015 |
Recollections
40.
Ryan
Stockbridge,
Edinburgh |
Thank you to Ryan who wrote:
|
Golden Wonder
Crisps
"I’m trying to track down any
information on William Alexander the founder of Golden Wonder Crisps.
He allegedly started in a bakery he owned in Stockbridge, around 1947, but no one
(including Golden Wonder) seems to know where the bakery was.
Can anybody provide an answer?"
Ryan, Stockbridge, Edinburgh: 4
October 2016 (2 emails) |
Reply to Ryan
If you can
help to answer the question that Ryan asks above, please email me to let
me know, then I'll pass on Ryan's email address to you.
Thank you.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: 4 October 20165 |
Recollections
40.
Reply
1.
Andy Aitken
Linlithgow, West
Lothian, Scotland |
Thank you to Andy Aitken for replying to Ryan's
question above.
Andy wrote:
|
Bakery
Golden Wonder
Crisps?
"Andy asked about the
Stockbridge bakery opened by the founder of Golden Wonder.
The building now occupied by
Gallery Mirages used to be a bakery in the 1970s. It was a
wholesale bakery, not a shop. Whether it was a bakery 30
years previously I don't know.
I used to get hot rolls from
them in the early hours of the morning in the course of weaving my way
home after a night out. I can still taste them. Delicious!"
Andy Aitken, Linlithgow, West Lothian,
Scotland: 7 October 1026 |
Recollections
41.
Jane Zeitlin (née
MacLennan)
Giffnock, East Renfrewshire, Scotland
|
Thank you to Jane Zeitlin who wrote:
|
Dean Park Street
Back Green Concerts
"I wonder if Robert
Thomson (Recollections 27) or Alex Dick (Recollections 34) recall the
back green concerts held in Dean Park Street. They were a source
of great entertainment as the blanket hanging from a clothesline was
drawn back with a flourish to reveal playmates, and the big ones
performed a turn. On one occasion I recall a cabbage as a lottery prize!
Wireless Battery
"I chummed my older friend,
Nancy, to have her Mum's wireless battery battery topped up at Corsar's
hardware store in Raeburn Place."
Treats
"Treats
consisted of a ha'penny handful of locust beans, Ovaltine or Horlicks
tablets from Brimm's the chemist or 'Vantis' cubes from the tiny shop at
the top of Dean Park Street.
Lucky folks got an ice cream
from D'Angelo as he cycled his ice cream trike up the cobbled street.
Treats
"I
remember:
-
Coal from Lamb the coal merchant.
-
Milk from the horse-drawn
cart.
-
The Rag and Bone man
offering what seemed treasures for rags."
Playing near Home
"We sat
on the garden walls, shorn of their paling, chatting and
exchanging scraps with our pals. We had back green exploits,
shouting to the Bernard Street kids over the wall as we played shops
with horsetail grass for sale in the lee of the bomb shelter.
Endless pictures flew through my mind when I read Alex's and Robert's
paragraphs above.
- I played with Robert.
His Mum, Ruby, brothers David and Alan figured large in my life.
- Alex's brother Derek
was a great joker. He taught me how to fall, staying rigid,
whipping out my hands at the last minute. He also pointed out to a
fascinated tiny girl, that if you performed an indiscretion in the tub,
bubbles flew to the surface. The oddest memories stick!"
More Memories
"I lived at 13 Dean Park
Street, as did a succession of folks in my family. It was a gentle
place to grow up despite the War.
I remember:
- ballet lessons at The
Flora Stevenson's school
- working away at my
Dad's allotment where Waitrose now stands. I have a great pic of me and
my infant brother Colin taken looking towards Fettes College."
Jane Zeitlin (née MacLennan), Giffnock, East
Renfrewshire, Scotland: 19
October 2016 |
Recollections
42.
Jane Zeitlin (née
MacLennan)
Giffnock, East Renfrewshire, Scotland
|
Thank you to Jane Zeitlin for writing again.
Jane wrote:
|
My Family
"I was born in Dean Park
Street, but left for East Claremont Street when I was about eight.
- My Mum, Audrey, became
well known at Sandy Bell's
- My Grandad MacLennan
had a painters' business in Nelson Street.
- My great grandad,
Berry, ran a second-hand book business from 2 George Street."
My Brother
and
Robert Thomson
"It would be pleasant to link
up with Robert Thomson who wrote
Recollections 27 above, now that we are wallowing in our 70th decade. My
Mum used to look after Robert and his brothers when their Mum went out
to work.
I remember my brother,
Colin, being born on my 4th birthday. Dad revealed the surprise.
I thought the 'surprise' would have been of a more interesting nature,
such as a scooter. I bit poor old Robert in rage and frustration.
I've never apologised!"
Jane Zeitlin (née MacLennan), Giffnock, East
Renfrewshire, Scotland: 21
October 2016 |
Recollections
43.
Frank Davidson
Christchurch, New Zealand
|
Thank you to Frank Davidson who wrote:
|
Home and Schools
"I lived in
Bedford Street, Stockbridge.
I
attended St Bernard's Primary School from 1950 until 1956. Then it
was off to Broughton."
Friends
"I was friends with:
- Ian (Johnny)
Robinson,
- Jimmy Leslie,
- Anna Bird,
- the Dixons
I'd like to hear from any
interested in any
Stockbridge contacts from that era. Thanks in advance Frank."
Frank Davidson, Christchurch, New Zealand (since 1976):
8 January 2017 |
Reply to Frank
Davidson?
If you lived around Stockbridge in the 1950s and
would like to send a message to Frank, please email me to let me know,
then I'll pass on his email address to you.
Thank you.
Peter Stubbs, Edinburgh: 8 January
2017
|
Recollections
44.
Sandy Philip
Edinburgh
|
Thank you to Sandy Philip who wrote:
|
Bedford Street
"I lived at 20 Bedford
Street top flat from about 1943 until March 1949, when, due to the twins
being born, we moved to a bigger house."
Nursery
"I went to nursery school down
a lane off St Bernard's Crescent, but I did not like it and escaped a
few times by climbing over the spiked fence, I still have a scar on by
leg to prove it!"
Neighbours
"I
remember:
-
Shirley Canale. She
had dark, curly hair.
-
Murial Wilson. She lived
opposite us in the top flat. She was not much older than me but
saw that I came to no harm.
-
The elderly Miss Bird. She
lived '2 down' and liked to chat with us kids.
-
Mrs Peffer (who had twin boys
Doadie and Wullie). She used to sit on a bench outside her house
along with a nice woman who was called 'Fat Aggie' (or Annie?)."
Relations
"My
Auntie lived in Lesley Place and my Uncle lived in Comely Bank.
My Granny lived in the Colonies
in Collins Place, She had 10 children so the house was always full of
cousins and their parents."
Glenogle
"We used to go to Glenogle
Public Baths. After we had been in the water for a while the man
in charge asked to see our hands. If they were blue, we were told to
leave.
The picture house in Glenogle Road was the Salon, later renamed, the
Tudor. I went there, or to the Grand in St Stephen's Street every
Saturday with my Dad."
Houses
"There was no electricity in
the houses or the street, only gas.
The fireplace was a big range
with a side-oven and a hot plate. We also had a gas oven and hob.
Radios were powered by
batteries that we called accumulators. They were charged up in a
shop at the bottom of the street and round the corner."
Shops
and
Scrap Yard
"D'Angelos'
shop in Dean Street sold ice cream and sold chips in the evening.
We got the money by finding beer bottles and reclaiming the deposit
We
also took scrap metal and rags to 'Asy Wasies' (Asa
Was) at Fountainbridge."
St Bernard's School
"I went to St Bernard's Primary
School where the boys and girls had separate playgrounds. My first
teacher was Miss Horn.
Being just at the end of the
war, we did not have much as the country was bankrupt. I remember that
the Canadians sent food parcels to the school.
It was the best food we had
ever tasted, as normally the food rationing did not give us enough.
Even the potatoes were in powder form, a disgusting product called 'Pom'."
Inverleith Park
"We used to go to Inverleith
Park and play in the Jungle (the swan refuge). We gained access
via the tunnel from the pond."
Grange Cricket Ground
"One day I went to the Grange
cricket ground and saw the famous Don Bradman. Other times we used
to chase the sheep in the same place. We never caught any!"
Learmonth Houses
"We also played on the
foundations of houses at Learmonth, all building work being abandoned
for the war and a while after."
Coal
and
Logs
"Our coal man was Mr Lamb.
I used to go to his house in Dean Park Mews when we needed coal, and he
delivered it with his horse and cart.
My father was an aircraft
mechanic at Drem, repairing war- damaged planes, and he brought logs
home by bus and tram."
Air Raid Shelters
"There were air raid shelters
at the top of the slope towards Dean Park Street. They were
demolished at the end of the war."
Wash House
and
Bananas
"My mother went to the wash
house in Hamilton Place. She took us there a few times. It
was not a pleasant place. She also stood for hours in banana queues."
Sandy Philip, Edinburgh: 12 Feb (2
emails) + 6 May, 2017 |
Recollections
45.
Sean Macnamara
Finland
|
Thank you to Sean Macnamara who wrote:
|
St Stephen Street
No. 87
"I lived as a child in St
Stephen's Street from 1966 to 1973 at No. 87. It was one of the few
street-level flats with its own front door. There were at least two
levels of basement flats below us but they were derelict all the time
that I lived there - inhabited only by rats and pigeons, the windows
broken, full of rubbish etc - you didn't go down there!
Our flat had two bedrooms,
living room, kitchen and a toilet but there was no bathroom and I used
to get washed sitting on the drainer of the kitchen sink which was at
the window overlooking the back greens.
I was a frequent visitor to the
baths at Glenogle, therefore, although my dad finally did somehow manage
to install a bathroom in the kitchen pantry shortly before we sold the
house - what a luxury that was!"
Shops
"There
was a little grocery shop in the basement next door at the corner with
Clarence Street - Jimmy Spence's. Jimmy would always be singing
when you went in - principally, I remember, 'It's a Lovely Day Tomorrow'
Other shops I can remember in
or around the street are a little junk shop at the top of St Stephen's
Place which was run by the 'Wee Man' and a chip shop where you could get
boiled or steamed ham ribs.
I remember the Hippy invasion
when the Asgard shop was opened around 1970. There was a record shop
around the corner in Kerr Street and a little toy shop next door, I
think, where I would take my life savings now and again to buy a new
Matchbox car."
Other Premises
"Then there was the infamous
brothel in nearby Danube Street which was an endless source of
curiosity. I also have a vivid memory of another kind of cat-house which
was situated in Circus Lane.
I think it was some kind of
animal refuge. There were always tiny kittens playing in the
windows which you could watch from the street. I don't remember if
they were in cages or just loose but I used to love looking at them."
Playing in the District
"It was a great place to be, as
a kid who liked to get up to mischief with lots of derelict and
abandoned buildings around, but then I remember spending lots of time
playing at the 'Blocks' in front of St Stephen's church - basically some
cubes of concrete which somehow offered hours of fun.
The area between Saunders
Street and India Place was just wasteland with ruins of the old fire
station in the middle. I remember 'discovering' there, with my pals,
something which intrigues me to this day - vast cavernous rooms built
into the hill underneath India Place. I wonder if they were air raid
shelters. We could never figure out any other likely use
One day my pals and I
inadvertently started a fire in the bushes and long grass all around the
fire station ruins and in panic we scarpered along the river bank
towards the Dean Village which a couple of us never even knew existed.
It was fabulous, like another
world, and it became a regular source of adventures for us thereafter.
We would cross over the river along St Bernard's Walk at a place called
the 'Half-Loaf' and then climb up into all the posh private gardens
above the banks."
Water of Leith
"I cannot imagine how clean or
not the Water of Leith is these days but I well remember a mate fishing
there, just below Raeburn Bridge, and catching a couple of brown trout
very quickly."
Filming
"Then there was the time that
Hollywood came to Stockbridge and they were filming the movie 'The Prime
Of Miss Jean Brodie' at Donaldson's school in Henderson Row.
That was exciting, I can
remember people standing at the railings trying to get a glimpse of the
glamorous activities and movie stars. There were vintage cars driving up
and down Clarence Street and along Henderson Row and people in costume
milling about - great fun!"
Sean Macnamara, Finland: 1 October 2017 |
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