Talk given to Edinburgh
Photographic Society - December 3, 2008
Documentary
Photography
and EdinPhoto web site
4.
Transport |
Early Photos
1. Sailing
2. Railways
3. Trams
Recent Photos
4. Buses
4. Bus Termini
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Early Photos
Leith Inner Harbour
©
The Cavaye Collection of Thomas Begbie Prints: City Art Centre,
City of Edinburgh Museums and Galleries
Leith Shore
©
The Cavaye Collection of Thomas Begbie Prints: City Art Centre,
City of Edinburgh Museums and Galleries
Some time between 1904 and 1922
©
Copyright: For permission to
reproduce, please contact
peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk
The ferry boat, 'Robert the
Bruce' at South Queensferry - 1934
©
Copyright: For permission to
reproduce, please contact
peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk
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Granton Square
1950s
Looking down on Granton Square and across to Granton Harbour
- Around 1950?
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to the Robert Grieves Collection
Comment
Perhaps somebody will
e-mail me with a few comments about the vehicles and ships in
this picture.
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1. |
The Closest Ship -
Pharos VIII, at Lighthouse
Pier, used as a relief tender for North Car Lightship and Bell Rock. |
2. |
The Distant Ship -
is loading coal at Middle
Pier |
3. |
The Drilling Rig -
was used by the National Coal
Board between Portobello and Port Seton in the 1950s |
4. |
The Small Building -
to the left of Middle Pier was the
taxi office |
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to the Robert Grieves Collection and to
Argyll Publishing |
5. |
No tramlines -
so probably late-1950s |
6. |
The locomotive -
is a J35 or J37. These lasted
until the end of steam in Scotland, in 1967. |
7. |
The Two Boys -
are Paul Lorimer and John
Harkness. "I got this from a good source - Paul whom I grew up with" |
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London
Bruce Peebles' Transformer passing through London
- The Royal Exchange
© Reproduced
with acknowledgement to Siemens Transmission & Distribution Ltd.
Passing the Tower of London
© Reproduced
with acknowledgement to Siemens Transmission & Distribution Ltd.
Crossing Tower Bridge
© Reproduced
with acknowledgement to Siemens Transmission & Distribution Ltd.
Date of Bruce London Photos |
I originally captioned these photos "early 1900s",
but then got a message telling me:
- The trailer is lettered for the London and
North Eastern Railway Co which did not exist until 1923
- You can clearly see a double decker bus with
a covered top deck. Such buses were not permitted until 1925 or '26
- The bus immediately behind the transformer
is still on solid tyres, all of which had been eliminated by 1928. |
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A fleet of 8 lorries
used for transporting fish - at Newhaven
©
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to John Wilson, Somerset
Edinburgh Corporation - Dumper Trucks and Lorries -
around the 1920s
©
Reproduced by courtesy Lothian Buses plc
Morris Minors and Fettes College - Transport from around
the 1950s
©
Reproduced by courtesy Lothian Buses plc
Trojan Vans and Fettes College - Transport from around the
1950s
©
Reproduced by courtesy Lothian Buses plc
Edinburgh Aero Club
- Turnhouse Aerodrome - Photo 1
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to June Scott, Bonaly,
Edinburgh
Edinburgh Aero Club
- Established 1922 - Turnhouse Aerodrome
- Photo 2
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to June Scott, Bonaly,
Edinburgh
Thomas L Devlin's Daimler with his son, Robert,
in the driving seat
© Reproduced
with acknowledgement to Darney Devlin, Edinburgh
Char-a-bancs at the National Galleries -
c.1921
©
Reproduced by courtesy Lothian Buses plc
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Eastfield
Terminus for Routes 26 and 44
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to Adrian H Dodsley,
Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire, who supplied this photo to me.
Question |
Where and When?
Is it Eastfield in the 1960s? |
1.
2. |
Eastfield -
Coillesdene House
high flats in background |
3. |
Eastfield -
Coillesdene House
high flats in background, and Rockville House Hotel |
4. |
1971 or earlier -
UHF TV aerials on the houses are pointing
towards Black Hill transmitter near Shotts.
The Craigkelly transmitter, near Burntisland, came into service, September
1971. |
5. |
Could be later -
The Craigkelly transmitter initially
gave poor reception near Firth of Forth due to tides. |
6. |
1971-72 -
Certainly before Aug 1974
because buses are not yet
one-man-operation |
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to Adrian H Dodsley,
Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire, who supplied this photo to me.
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7. |
Pre-1967 -
because 26 destination is Clermiston,
not Clerwood. But see 13. below. |
8. |
Late-1960s -
because of the style of destination
blind on the '44' with six intermediate points |
9. |
Investigate -
when the turning circle was enlarged to
accommodate Atlanteans |
10. |
Late-1960s -
Turning circle was enlarged then and
Black Hill transmitter opened 1969 |
11. |
Early -1970 -
Certainly before Aug 1974
because buses are not yet
one-man-operation |
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to Adrian H Dodsley,
Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire, who supplied this photo to me.
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12. |
1964-74 -
Bus 668 was new in 1964; bus
441 was withdrawn in Auf 1974. |
13. |
early-1971 -
The Australian company Ardmona advertised for the first time on Edinburgh
buses then.
- No 441
was overhauled, repainted and transferred to Route 44 when Route 30
started in Nov 1970.
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Destination on Route 26 is because old destination blind fitted while new
ones were being cleaned. |
1960
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to George Field, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia,
grandson of the owner of this van.
1960
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to George Field, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia,
grandson of the owner of this van.
Edinburgh Old Town
June 16, 1961
©
Indiana University, Charles W Cushman Collection
Archive ID: P12326
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QUESTION: Is it St Mary's Street or
Blackfriar's Street?
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ANSWER: It's Blackfriar's Street ('Blackie'). |
April 24, 2008
©
Copyright: Peter Stubbs - please contact
peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk
Photograph taken:
April 24, 2008
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Craig
Mitchell wrote:
"From reading the comments I know there was
some initial doubt as to whether it was 'Blackie' or not but as soon as I
saw the pic I knew it was.
Looking out of the window at no.13 (the stair
entrance between Whites and Carrs in the pic) is my great grandmother,
Catherine (Casey) McKinley."
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Dumbiedykes
© Reproduced with
acknowledgement to Norward Inglis
and Barbara Simpson
The Scotchie
©
Reproduced with acknowledgement to Edinburgh City Libraries and
Information Services
Neg. A904A
Prospect Street, Arthur Street and 'The Scotchie' |
1. |
Arthur Street is the steep-sloping street.
Several people remember seeing carts and lorries that ran out of
control down this street around the 1950s.
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2. |
On seeing this photo, Ian Mycko said:
"That's my Dad's car" |
Accident
Coal Lorry in Holyrood Park -
at the foot of Arthur Street
© Reproduced with
acknowledgement to Ron Leckie, California, USA
Coal Lorry Accident - Comments |
1. |
Ron
Leckie, California, USA wrote:
"Some of the coal seemed to disappear that
day. Many of the kids had dirty hands"
"The brakes were set and wheels turned into the curb – but the
vehicle just slid on the wet cobblestones without its driver" |
2. |
Eric
Gold, London, wrote:
"I don't recognise the bairns or the
policeman."
"It wasn't 'Big Ginger, the Polis' (ha ha
ha). He would just let us help ourselves." |
3. |
Jim Di Mambro, South Africa, wrote:
"My fondest memory of the free coal was of a
local character, Mrs. Wynn, shovelling it into her message bag.
"Eric Gold's mention aboot Ginger (the polis)
brought back memories. We used to play fitba ('3 an yer in').
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4. |
John
Ballantyne, Edinburgh wrote:
"Arthur Street was very steep. There
were many accidents there. A coal lorry, a sweet lorry and a coal
lorry all 'ran away' out of control down Arthur Street.
The best laugh was watching the men with their
fruit-barrows. There were several of these being pushed around the
streets, but when they came to the hill down Arthur Street, the owners had
to hold on tight to the barrow handles to prevent the barrow from running
away down the street.
The local children knew this, so they used to
run down the street beside the barrows, pinching the fruit, and there was
nothing that the owner could do about it!"
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5. |
Jim Di
Mambro, South Africa, wrote: "My
brother and I could be the two kids at the back corner of
the lorry."
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6. |
Joe
Coyle, Edinburgh wrote:
"My sister is the little girl on the left in
this photo." |
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Another Accident
Where and When?
Post Office Van
Accident
Answers provided Oct 20005 to Feb 2006 |
1. |
Is it
Haymarket?
Is it
Leith Docks? |
2. |
Is it Seafield? The PO van has a London
Registration No
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3. |
Is it
Millerhill? |
4. |
The lamp
standards suggest that this is a railway yard.
The steam crane, works number 3310, built by Cowans Sheldon
of Carlisle in 1914 for a cost of £3290.
It was based at St Margaret's shed in Edinburgh until 1962, when it was
transferred to Thornton.
So if the
accident in the Edinburgh area, it must have been 1962 or earlier |
5. |
From the Hon Editor of the Post Office Vehicle
Club:
It's
probably one of the rail yards in the Dalkeith area, just before 16
October 1958.
The van
was first registered on 22 April 1954. It was replaced by UXH 285 on
16 Oct 1958 |
6. |
I'm 99.9%
certain it is Smeaton. |
7. |
Newspaper report found:
Accident: Shortly before 8am on Oct 8, 1958
At a
level crossing connecting a farm road with Smeaton Colliery, Dalkeith.
"A Post Office driver was
trapped in the cabin of his van and dragged along upside
down for 150 feet after collision with waggons near
Dalkeith today."
"His right trouser leg was
ripped and his left foot was jammed. We freed it
and he climbed out himself."
"His first concern was for
the mail. He actually ran about collecting the
scattered mail and packages and refused to go to the
first aid centre for treatment until the last package
was found."
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East Thomas Street
Morris PV van outside 9 East Thomas Street
©
Calton Youth Ministry with acknowledgement to Stanley Middleton, Perthshire. Photo provided by Davie Martin,
Edinburgh
East Thomas Street |
"That was our horsebox that we
used to take our ponies to shows all over Scotland, and also to go to
horse sales, as my Mother was a horse-dealer."
"She was a remarkable woman.
She drove
that little PV van laden with ponies from Aberdeen to Wales to sell them
to put food on the table for us."
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Buses
Route
1 |
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©
West
Clermiston |
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North
Ocean Terminal |
Route
2 |
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West
Gyle Centre |
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East
The Jewel |
Route
3 / 3A |
©
©
©
SW
Clovenstone |
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SE
Gorebridge |
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©
SE
Mayfield |
Route
4 |
©
©
South
Hillend |
East
The Jewel |
Route 1
Ocean Terminal terminus
- Western Harbour, Leith Docks
© Copyright:
Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken August 4,
2007 at 9.55pm
Route 4
Hillend - at the
foot of the Pentland HIlls
©
Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken August 22, 2007
at 8.55pm
Route 8
Muirhouse -
Setting down passengers on the east side of
Pennywell Road
© Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken
April 12, 2007 at 12.48pm
Route 10
Newhaven terminus -
Pier Place
©
Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken March 26, 2007 at 3.40pm
Route 11
Ocean Terminal
terminus - Ocean Drive
©
Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken March 20, 2007 at 10.15am
Route 23
Greenbank terminus -
Greenbank Drive
©
Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken September 4, 2007
Route 25
Riccarton Terminus -
Heriot Watt University
©
Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken May 29, 2007
Route 26
Clerwood terminus -
Clermiston Road
© Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken May 22,
2007
Route 26
Port Seton terminus - Links Road - At the entrance to the
Caravan Park
© Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken May 26,
2007
Route 27
Silverknowes
Parkway
©
Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken April 16, 2007 at
2.49pm
Route 31
East Craigs terminus -
East Craigs Centre
© Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken May 22,
2007
Route 32
Pilton terminus -
Scottish Gas HQ, West Granton
©
Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken April 17, 2007 at 1.52pm
Route 36
Holyrood -
Outside the Scottish Parliament
© Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken May 24,
2007
Route 44
Pencaitland -
Easter Pencaitland Turning Circlet
©
Copyright: Peter Stubbs
Photograph taken
August 9, 2007 at 7.30pm
Hovercraft Trial
Portobello to Kirkcaldy
Hovercraft at Portobello
©
Copyright:
Peter Stubbs - please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk
Photographed
July 16, 2007 at 5.34pm
Hovercraft at Portobello
©
Copyright:
Peter Stubbs - please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk
Photographed
July 17, 2007 at 4.59pm
Hovercraft at Portobello
©
Copyright:
Peter Stubbs - please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk
Photographed
July 17, 2007 at 4.52pm
Hovercraft at Portobello
©
Copyright:
Peter Stubbs - please contact peter.stubbs@edinphoto.org.uk
Photographed
July 17, 2007 at 4.52pm
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